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Nick: squire (Registered User)
Date/Time: Thu, 1/6/2005 at 2:00 EDT (Thu, 1/6/2005 at 1:00 EST)
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In Reply To: The Marquette Papers:  Christina Scull  <Entmaiden>  [1/6/2005 @ 1:11]  (9/59)
Subject:
Very nice - some thoughts of mine
Message:

Having just started the HoME series on the composition of LotR, I wonder how much of Ms. Scull's presentation is based on those published volumes of C. Tolkien's, and how much is based on further, unpublished material?

Where I am (just reached Rivendell), the story evolution has been fairly straightforward -- just as FotR is the most straightline narrative of the "three" volumes. Therefore C. Tolkien does not quote large sections of the drafts, merely assuring us that they underwent relatively little change except for names, etc.

I have always heard that it gets quite gnarly soon enough, as Tolkien gets drawn into Fangorn, Lorien, Rohan, etc. Is there additional material (say, at Marquette) that Scull is referring to? Or has she just read the HoME?

Finally, and this is how I would have answered a very similar question this week on Movie (about doing a 2-hour film) had I had the time, the obvious answer to how to simplify the LotR book is to continue the journey to Mordor from Parth Galen for Frodo, while sending all the others to Minas Tirith for a big battle. In other words, skip all of the detour to Rohan, Saruman, Fangorn, etc.

As well, there's no reason why Cirith Ungol needs to be 120 miles south of the Black Gate. It could have been just around the corner, in the Ered Lithui for instance -- and given Frodo just as hard a time getting into Mordor undetected, Gollum and all.

Of course the book is far superior as written, but there's no denying that most readers feel a distinct jolt when Aragorn turns west to chase the orcs, and starts chumming up the horsemen -- at that point my daughter dropped the book for a year because she could no longer understand what was happening. I remembered the same feeling myself at around that age (8 or so).

I am looking forward to learning more about the evolution of Trotter into Aragorn in the next few months. I rather like Trotter - and why not? When you meet him, he's Strider: same lines, same actions. Nothing changes in many, many scenes except the name! Well, there is one difference: he grins a lot.

Thanks for yet another reminder that Marquette was the place to be last fall!


"Wake up and smell the coffee."


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