IGN.com TheOneRing.net Newbie Guide
Lord of the Rings Tolkien
Search Tolkien
Lord of the Rings Movie News - J.R.R. Tolkien Lord of the Rings Movie News - J.R.R. Tolkien
Lord of the Rings - J.R.R. Tolkien

Lord of the Rings Movie News - J.R.R. Tolkien
Links
Home
The Movies
Spy Reports
Features
Barlimans
Discussion
Main
Reading Room
Movie Discussion
The Arena
Gaming
Feedback
Fan Section
Gaming Havens
Green Books
Community
Shop
Newbie Guide
Archives
Site Info
TBHL

<<< - << Prev | Reading Room | Next >> - >>>
Message Thread - Collate Replies - Post a Reply - FAQ

Nick: Curious (Registered User)
Date/Time: Fri, 12/17/2004 at 14:18 EDT (Fri, 12/17/2004 at 12:18 CST)
Browser/OS: Microsoft Internet Explorer V5.5 using Windows 98
In Reply To: Forest/Trees  <Ransom>  [12/17/2004 @ 12:31]  (1/1)
Subject:
Ooh, that's good!
Message:

If that's what squire meant, then yes, I don't see that as cynical.  But somehow that's not how it came across to me in his original post.

Although Tolkien does call Bombadil a representative of the pacifist point of view, I accept that there are also significant differences between Bombadil and Frodo.  I have often made the point in the past that comparison must go with contrast, and vice versa.  But the fact that there are contrasts does not mean there are no comparisons to be made.  They are both pacifists, and they are the only pacifists in the books.  They both renounced control, even if they did so for different reasons, and in different moods.

Ok, perhaps I can concede this much: there is no direct evidence that Frodo learned about renouncing control and taking a "vow of poverty," so to speak, from Bombadil.  And the indirect evidence is inconclusive.  My theory about that will have to remain Utterly Unproveable.  But because they are the only two examples of pacifism in the book, can we at least agree that it is worthwhile to compare and contrast Bombadil at the beginning of the book and Frodo at the end?  And I would hope that when Frodo gets to Valinor and gets his healing, he may indeed resemble Bombadil in all ways, including his joy.


“I dislike Allegory - the conscious and intentional allegory - yet any attempt to explain the purport of myth or fairytale must use allegorical language.  (And, of course, the more 'life' a story has the more readily will it be susceptible of allegorical interpretations: while the better a deliberate allegory is made the more nearly will it be acceptable just as a story.)” (From Tolkien Letter # 131.)

Tips for posting in the Reading Room.

Password to delete message:  



TheOneRing.net Rumour Mill's RPGBoard script (V2.22) was created by Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper of Resonator Software.  It is copylefted under the conditions of the GNU Public License (GPL).  It can be freely distributed and modified as long as it retains its GPL status. 


home | contact us | back to top | site map | search | join list | Content Rating

This site is maintained and updated by fans of The Lord of the Rings, and is in no way affiliated with Tolkien Enterprises or the Tolkien Estate. We in no way claim the artwork displayed to be our own. Copyrights and trademarks for the books, films, articles, and other promotional materials are held by their respective owners and their use is allowed under the fair use clause of the Copyright Law. Design and original photography however are copyright © 2000 TheOneRing®.net. TheOneRing® is a registered service mark with exclusive right to grant use assigned to The One Ring, Inc. Unique Design by DesignHeroes.com