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Nick: Curious (Registered User)
Date/Time: Wed, 12/15/2004 at 15:42 EDT (Wed, 12/15/2004 at 13:42 CST)
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In Reply To: Where indeed does one "learn" pacifism?  <squire >  [12/15/2004 @ 15:13]  (1/8)
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Here's the excerpt
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from letter 144 I referenced:

"Tom Bombadil is not an important person - to the narrative. I suppose he has some importance as a 'comment'. I mean, I do not really write like that: he is just an invention (who first appeared in the Oxford Magazine about 1933), and he represents something that I feel important, though I would not be prepared to analyze the feeling precisely. I would not, however, have left him in, if he did not have some kind of function. I might put it this way. The story is cast in terms of a good side, and a bad side, beauty against ruthless ugliness, tyranny against kingship, moderated freedom with consent against compulsion that has long lost any object save mere power, and so on; but both sides in some degree, conservative or destructive, want a measure of control.  But if you have, as it were taken 'a vow of poverty', renounced control, and take your delight in things for themselves without reference to yourself, watching, observing, and to some extent knowing, then the question of the rights and wrongs of power and control might become utterly meaningless to you, and the means of power quite valueless. It is a natural pacifist view, which always arises in the mind when there is a war. But the view of Rivendell seems to be that this it is an excellent thing to have represented, but that there are in fact things with which it cannot cope; and upon which its existence nonetheless depends. Ultimately only the victory of the West will allow Bombadil to continue, or even survive. Nothing would be left for him in the world of Sauron."

Gandalf and Elrond are not pacifists, at least not during the time that they tutor Frodo.  Nor are the High-elves of Lorien pacifists.  It was you, not I, who said that Bombadil might have taught Frodo to have faith in Higher Powers.  Yes, Frodo needed months of long hard lessons from experience for that lesson to sink in; but you, not I, pointed to Bombadil as someone who taught Frodo a lesson in faith.  All I am saying is that Tolkien left Bombadil in the book because he represented "a natural pacifist view, which always arises in the mind when there is a war," and I don't think it is any coincidence that Frodo came to adopt that point of view in the end, whether he consciously based it on Bombadil or not.

Let's put it this way: there are two and only two pacifists in LotR, one being Tom Bombadil at the beginning of the quest and one being Frodo at the end.  I find it hard to believe that the one bears no relationship to the other.


“I dislike Allegory - the conscious and intentional allegory - yet any attempt to explain the purport of myth or fairytale must use allegorical language.  (And, of course, the more 'life' a story has the more readily will it be susceptible of allegorical interpretations: while the better a deliberate allegory is made the more nearly will it be acceptable just as a story.)” (From Tolkien Letter # 131.)

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