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Nick:	Entwife Wandlimb (Registered User)
Date/Time:	Wed, 12/1/2004 at 11:11 EDT (Wed, 12/1/2004 at 7:11 PST)
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In Reply To:	Saints are mortal.  <Curious>  [12/1/2004 @ 8:05]  (2/12)
Subject:	no one could do better but
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could someone else have done as well?  I think that's where the tension lies -- Frodo was chosen to bear the Ring, but could someone else have been chosen with the same results?  I'd say certainly for the point is not that measure of success lies in Providence and not the "man." Really, I think your reference to the Old Testament heroes of the faith is fair.  Take Moses, for instance, who was a murderer, a stutterer, and he even blows it once in the desert.  A Hebrew reared in Pharoah's palace, could anyone else have represented his people better?  Though he doesn't get to enjoy the Promised Land, he is generally regarded as a man of great faith and high morals.  Does he get the credit?  Sort of.  One gets the idea he was uniquely qualified because of God's intervention.  Sure, he had to cooperate to some extent, but one gets the feeling that God could have picked someone else. *struggles to tie this back into the WWI topic* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

• Marquette Conference Discussion--John Garth #1: Frodo and the Great War  <galadhremmin>  [11/30/2004 @ 3:02]  (8/56)
• but Frodo is not honored like traditional heros...  <nefisa3>  [12/2/2004 @ 2:04]  (2/11)
• A timely article on WWI memorials.  <N.E. Brigand>  [12/3/2004 @ 13:53]  (0/0)
• Our local WWI memorial:  (No Text - Link Inside)  <Curious>  [12/2/2004 @ 11:25]  (2/9)
• in Canada  <Lúthien_Rising>  [12/3/2004 @ 15:13]  (1/1)
• The U.S. was there a short time  <Curious>  [12/3/2004 @ 17:13]  (0/0)
• Melbourne's Shrine of Remembrance  <Penthe>  [12/2/2004 @ 20:14]  (1/6)
• And Auckland's:  <Kimi>  [12/2/2004 @ 20:35]  (1/5)
• New Zealand  <Penthe>  [12/2/2004 @ 21:01]  (2/4)
• i think you've summed up better what i was trying to say...  <nefisa3>  [12/3/2004 @ 1:03]  (2/2)
• an excellent point  (No Text)  <Lúthien_Rising>  [12/3/2004 @ 15:15]  (0/0)
• Yup  (No Text)  <Penthe>  [12/3/2004 @ 1:16]  (0/0)
• No need  <Kimi>  [12/2/2004 @ 21:28]  (0/0)
• interesrting!!(spontaneous thoughts)  <Galadriel1a>  [11/30/2004 @ 19:06]  (0/0)
• hope on trial  <Entwife Wandlimb>  [11/30/2004 @ 12:30]  (1/1)
• Tolkien did not despair.  <Curious>  [11/30/2004 @ 13:07]  (0/0)
• Thank you - a topic dear to my heart  <well he's back>  [11/30/2004 @ 11:03]  (0/0)
• Heroes  <drogo_drogo>  [11/30/2004 @ 10:04]  (2/26)
• About  T.E. Lawrence  <Silent _ Watcher>  [11/30/2004 @ 13:29]  (1/2)
• "Beat him."  <N.E. Brigand>  [11/30/2004 @ 14:04]  (1/1)
• yes, what happens in Derrera and Cirith  <nefisa3>  [12/2/2004 @ 1:54]  (0/0)
• Sam is unduly modest.  <Curious>  [11/30/2004 @ 12:23]  (1/22)
• so how do you interpret Gandalf's comment?  <Entwife Wandlimb>  [11/30/2004 @ 12:34]  (1/21)
• Frodo isn't the strongest or  <Curious>  [11/30/2004 @ 12:55]  (2/20)
• *sobs*  <Ascarwen>  [12/6/2004 @ 14:13]  (1/1)
• Pssst!  <Advising Elf>  [12/7/2004 @ 10:01]  (0/0)
• Frodo: "everyman" or saint?  <Entwife Wandlimb>  [11/30/2004 @ 22:33]  (2/17)
• The potential for sainthood  <Curious>  [12/1/2004 @ 6:59]  (0/0)
• You took the words...  <Modtheow>  [12/1/2004 @ 1:25]  (2/15)
• psst  <Lúthien_Rising>  [12/1/2004 @ 11:54]  (0/0)
• "Saintly" Everyman  <drogo_drogo>  [12/1/2004 @ 7:56]  (1/13)
• Saints are mortal.  <Curious>  [12/1/2004 @ 8:05]  (2/12)
• no one could do better but  <Entwife Wandlimb>  [12/1/2004 @ 11:11]  (1/2)
• Moses is a great example.  <Curious>  [12/1/2004 @ 11:25]  (1/1)
• Moses  <Curious>  [12/1/2004 @ 12:31]  (0/0)
• Technically, he's not  <Entmaiden>  [12/1/2004 @ 10:20]  (1/8)
• Technically, schmechnically.  <Curious>  [12/1/2004 @ 10:58]  (2/7)
• I'm not sure Tolkien would agree  <Entmaiden>  [12/1/2004 @ 12:46]  (1/4)
• "Sanctified"  <Curious>  [12/1/2004 @ 12:57]  (1/3)
• Saint-like  <drogo_drogo>  [12/1/2004 @ 18:36]  (1/2)
• Angelic  <Curious>  [12/1/2004 @ 18:55]  (1/1)
• Angel in Man's body  <drogo_drogo>  [12/1/2004 @ 20:13]  (0/0)
• Frodo's "sanctification"  <Modtheow>  [12/1/2004 @ 11:31]  (1/1)
• Very apt!  <Curious>  [12/1/2004 @ 11:57]  (0/0)
• It wasn't just the War that inspired Tolkien  <squire >  [11/30/2004 @ 9:34]  (2/2)
• yes, but the war is probably what caused...  <nefisa3>  [12/2/2004 @ 2:09]  (0/0)
• I agree  <Erestor Arcamen>  [12/1/2004 @ 19:34]  (0/0)
• LotR is like and unlike WWI.  <Curious>  [11/30/2004 @ 8:52]  (2/8)
• Reception of returning veterans  <linkinparkelf>  [12/1/2004 @ 3:52]  (2/6)
• There's a difference between  <Lúthien_Rising>  [12/1/2004 @ 11:53]  (1/1)
• Goodbye to All That  <FarFromHome>  [12/1/2004 @ 12:51]  (0/0)
• Frodo's companions  <Curious>  [12/1/2004 @ 6:54]  (1/3)
• Battle of Bywater vs. Mordor  <Modtheow>  [12/1/2004 @ 11:56]  (2/2)
• True  <drogo_drogo>  [12/1/2004 @ 20:23]  (0/0)
• I think that's consistent with Tolkien's (or Frodo's) view of the Shire,  <Entmaiden>  [12/1/2004 @ 12:56]  (0/0)
• perhaps you might say  <Lúthien_Rising>  [11/30/2004 @ 10:41]  (0/0)
• Enjoyment? Yes  <Penthe>  [11/30/2004 @ 5:43]  (0/0)

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