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Nick: Entwife Wandlimb (Registered User)
Date/Time: Tue, 11/30/2004 at 22:33 EDT (Tue, 11/30/2004 at 18:33 PST)
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In Reply To: Frodo isn't the strongest or  <Curious>  [11/30/2004 @ 12:55]  (2/20)
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Frodo: "everyman" or saint?
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I agree with most everything you said, but I am not sure about "No one could be more humble, no one more willing, no one more loving, no one more innocent."  No one?  I guess here's a place in the logic of the story where there's some tension similar to that of free will v. providence.  Aren't Frodo and Sam as well as the rest of the hobbits supposed to be a sort of "everyman"?  Isn't the idea that within the simple, provicial men there lies some untested, untapped potential for greatness?  Sure, there's a lot of bad apples, but isn't the idea that any man can gain a victory over evil if he will choose humility, self-sacrifice, pity, and love?  What's more, they don't even have to choose it 100% of the time because of divine grace and mercy?

Take Sam, for example.  As it says in the excellent Nancy Marie Ott Green article you referred to:

As Tolkien later wrote, "My 'Sam Gamgee' is indeed a reflection of the English soldier, of the privates and batmen I knew in the 1914 war, and recognized as so far superior to myself."
Is Sam not like an "ordinary" soldier?

I suppose it's the idea of recovery -- "simplicities are made all the more luminous by their setting."

Thanks for your thoughts!

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