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Nick:	Silent _ Watcher (Registered User)
Date/Time:	Tue, 11/30/2004 at 13:29 EDT (Tue, 11/30/2004 at 18:29 CET)
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In Reply To:	Heroes <drogo_drogo> [11/30/2004 @ 10:04] (2/26)
Subject:	About T.E. Lawrence
Message:
I have pondered how much Tolkien knew about Lawrence since they lived both in Oxford shortly after the war. I have the feeling (I am wrong?) that some hardships encountered by T.E. Lawrence are in a way similar to Frodo's own trials. I think particularly of their brief captivity, the "failure" feeling and the impossibility to lead a normal life again. And of course both write their memoirs. A mere coincidence? ***************** "Books ought to have good endings.How would this do: and they all settled down and they live together happily ever after?" "It will do well,if it ever comes to that," said Frodo. "Ah!" said Sam."And where will they live? That's what I often wonder". "Nai hiruvalyë Valimar. Nai elyë hiruva. Maybe thou shalt find Valimar. Maybe even thou shalt find it".

Message Thread:

Marquette Conference Discussion--John Garth #1: Frodo and the Great War <galadhremmin> [11/30/2004 @ 3:02] (8/56)

but Frodo is not honored like traditional heros... <nefisa3> [12/2/2004 @ 2:04] (2/11)

A timely article on WWI memorials. <N.E. Brigand> [12/3/2004 @ 13:53] (0/0)
Our local WWI memorial: (No Text - Link Inside) <Curious> [12/2/2004 @ 11:25] (2/9)

in Canada <Lúthien_Rising> [12/3/2004 @ 15:13] (1/1)

The U.S. was there a short time <Curious> [12/3/2004 @ 17:13] (0/0)

Melbourne's Shrine of Remembrance <Penthe> [12/2/2004 @ 20:14] (1/6)

And Auckland's: <Kimi> [12/2/2004 @ 20:35] (1/5)

New Zealand <Penthe> [12/2/2004 @ 21:01] (2/4)

i think you've summed up better what i was trying to say... <nefisa3> [12/3/2004 @ 1:03] (2/2)

an excellent point (No Text) <Lúthien_Rising> [12/3/2004 @ 15:15] (0/0)
Yup (No Text) <Penthe> [12/3/2004 @ 1:16] (0/0)

No need <Kimi> [12/2/2004 @ 21:28] (0/0)

interesrting!!(spontaneous thoughts) <Galadriel1a> [11/30/2004 @ 19:06] (0/0)
hope on trial <Entwife Wandlimb> [11/30/2004 @ 12:30] (1/1)

Tolkien did not despair. <Curious> [11/30/2004 @ 13:07] (0/0)

Thank you - a topic dear to my heart <well he's back> [11/30/2004 @ 11:03] (0/0)
Heroes <drogo_drogo> [11/30/2004 @ 10:04] (2/26)

About T.E. Lawrence <Silent _ Watcher> [11/30/2004 @ 13:29] (1/2)

"Beat him." <N.E. Brigand> [11/30/2004 @ 14:04] (1/1)

yes, what happens in Derrera and Cirith <nefisa3> [12/2/2004 @ 1:54] (0/0)

Sam is unduly modest. <Curious> [11/30/2004 @ 12:23] (1/22)

so how do you interpret Gandalf's comment? <Entwife Wandlimb> [11/30/2004 @ 12:34] (1/21)

Frodo isn't the strongest or <Curious> [11/30/2004 @ 12:55] (2/20)

*sobs* <Ascarwen> [12/6/2004 @ 14:13] (1/1)

Pssst! <Advising Elf> [12/7/2004 @ 10:01] (0/0)

Frodo: "everyman" or saint? <Entwife Wandlimb> [11/30/2004 @ 22:33] (2/17)

The potential for sainthood <Curious> [12/1/2004 @ 6:59] (0/0)
You took the words... <Modtheow> [12/1/2004 @ 1:25] (2/15)

psst <Lúthien_Rising> [12/1/2004 @ 11:54] (0/0)
"Saintly" Everyman <drogo_drogo> [12/1/2004 @ 7:56] (1/13)

Saints are mortal. <Curious> [12/1/2004 @ 8:05] (2/12)

no one could do better but <Entwife Wandlimb> [12/1/2004 @ 11:11] (1/2)

Moses is a great example. <Curious> [12/1/2004 @ 11:25] (1/1)

Moses <Curious> [12/1/2004 @ 12:31] (0/0)

Technically, he's not <Entmaiden> [12/1/2004 @ 10:20] (1/8)

Technically, schmechnically. <Curious> [12/1/2004 @ 10:58] (2/7)

I'm not sure Tolkien would agree <Entmaiden> [12/1/2004 @ 12:46] (1/4)

"Sanctified" <Curious> [12/1/2004 @ 12:57] (1/3)

Saint-like <drogo_drogo> [12/1/2004 @ 18:36] (1/2)

Angelic <Curious> [12/1/2004 @ 18:55] (1/1)

Angel in Man's body <drogo_drogo> [12/1/2004 @ 20:13] (0/0)

Frodo's "sanctification" <Modtheow> [12/1/2004 @ 11:31] (1/1)

Very apt! <Curious> [12/1/2004 @ 11:57] (0/0)

It wasn't just the War that inspired Tolkien <squire > [11/30/2004 @ 9:34] (2/2)

yes, but the war is probably what caused... <nefisa3> [12/2/2004 @ 2:09] (0/0)
I agree <Erestor Arcamen> [12/1/2004 @ 19:34] (0/0)

LotR is like and unlike WWI. <Curious> [11/30/2004 @ 8:52] (2/8)

Reception of returning veterans <linkinparkelf> [12/1/2004 @ 3:52] (2/6)

There's a difference between <Lúthien_Rising> [12/1/2004 @ 11:53] (1/1)

Goodbye to All That <FarFromHome> [12/1/2004 @ 12:51] (0/0)

Frodo's companions <Curious> [12/1/2004 @ 6:54] (1/3)

Battle of Bywater vs. Mordor <Modtheow> [12/1/2004 @ 11:56] (2/2)

True <drogo_drogo> [12/1/2004 @ 20:23] (0/0)
I think that's consistent with Tolkien's (or Frodo's) view of the Shire, <Entmaiden> [12/1/2004 @ 12:56] (0/0)

perhaps you might say <Lúthien_Rising> [11/30/2004 @ 10:41] (0/0)

Enjoyment? Yes <Penthe> [11/30/2004 @ 5:43] (0/0)

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