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Nick: galadhremmin (Registered User)
Date/Time: Tue, 11/30/2004 at 12:38 EDT (Tue, 11/30/2004 at 9:38 PDT)
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Marquette Conference Discussions--John Garth #2
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John Garth #2:  WWI imagery in LoTR

In developing his argument that LoTR reflects Tolkien's response to WW
I, Garth identified a number of specific images that seem to him to come directly from the experience of soldiers in the trenches of that war.  Here are some:

      Fell beasts, and the Ringwraiths' shrieks.  WW I soldiers often described the noise of artillery fire overhead as unearthly shrieks, or the sound of wings.

      Frodo's paralysis with the barrow wight, and his and others' paralyzed response to the Ringwraiths.  Garth suggests these are drawn from the experience of paralyzing fear described by soldiers in battle.  He recalls that Tolkien himself used the expression "animal horror" to describe his experience of warfare, and that this phrase is echoed in his descriptions of the utterly demoralizing effect of the
Ringwraiths.
    
      Green glow in the barrow. Similar, apparently, to how the world looked through a WW I gas mask.

      Various fogs and miasmas.  Similar to poison gas?

      Dead Marshes.   Garth sees in this a metaphor for memories of the dead
that soldiers found themselves unable to forget.

      The barrow wights (or maybe the Dead?)  There was a WW I soldiers'
myth of a band of ghoulish deserters living in abandoned trenches and
coming out by night to plunder and kill.

      The Breaking of the Fellowship.  Garth sees this as paralleling the
experiences of members of a platoon, who developed close bonds, were abruptly parted by orders or injuries, and then had to carry on in danger and in fear for their comrades' safety but unable to get news of or help them.

      The Ring's effect on Smeagol and Frodo.  Much like shell shock--anxiety, vigilance, twitchiness, irritability, feelings of estrangement from others.

1)  Do you think these parallels are likely to be echoes of Tolkien's wartime experience?  (Many other literary and historical sources for some of these have been discussed here at various times.)  Again, to the extent that there are connections to what Tolkien saw and felt as a soldier, does it make a difference to you to think of these images from LoTR in this way?

2) What other images seem to you especially likely to have been drawn
from Tolkien's war experiences?

And a final question on "Frodo and the Great War:"

3)  Accepting for the moment that in using these themes and images, Tolkien may have been working out his response to his wartime experiences, why does that make for a story that appeals to us? What's the parallel in our lives or psyches to the experience of a young Edwardian English academic, transported nightmarishly "there" to the trenches "and back again," that makes this story resonate so?

Miss Darcy looked as if she wished for courage enough to join in...; and sometimes did venture a short sentence, when there was least danger of its being heard.--
                           Jane Austen

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