IGN.com TheOneRing.net Newbie Guide
Lord of the Rings Tolkien
Search Tolkien
Lord of the Rings Movie News - J.R.R. Tolkien Lord of the Rings Movie News - J.R.R. Tolkien
Lord of the Rings - J.R.R. Tolkien

Lord of the Rings Movie News - J.R.R. Tolkien
Links
Home
The Movies
Spy Reports
Features
Barlimans
Discussion
Main
Reading Room
Movie Discussion
The Arena
Gaming
Feedback
Fan Section
Gaming Havens
Green Books
Community
Shop
Newbie Guide
Archives
Site Info
TBHL

<<< - << Prev | Reading Room | Next >> - >>>
Message Thread - Collate Replies - Post a Reply - FAQ

Nick: squire (Registered User)
Date/Time: Tue, 11/2/2004 at 0:40 EDT (Mon, 11/1/2004 at 23:40 EST)
Browser/OS: Microsoft Internet Explorer V6.0 using Windows NT 5.0
In Reply To: Chap. Discussion: The Silmarillion: Of Beren and Luthien (I): #15: Summary  <NZ Strider>  [10/31/2004 @ 14:14]  (16/16)
Subject:
illegitimum non carborundum
Message:

Which means of course "elfstones are forever" in Old Adunaic.

Thanks, NZ, for a good week of discussions. I remain surprised at your vehemence about Tolkien's willingness to borrow earlier story-threads for his mythology. I actually like learning from you what the borrowings are, since mostly I have no idea.

It's not the borrowing and re-use that annoy me -- that is an ancient and honorable artistic tradition -- but the choppiness of the final pastiche. Tolkien never was able to smooth over the Silmarillion, and in fact may have believed that the unevenness was the point. Nevertheless we are left comparing it to his narrative masterwork, Lord of the Rings, and it suffers by comparison, no matter how unfair the comparison might be.

The Beren and Luthien tale comes off best of all the stories/chapters, to my memory, possibly just because Tolkien put more effort into it, and possibly because it ties so much into LoTR and shines by reflection.

No matter. I've really enjoyed your handling of it, because your literary/scholarly background is so perfect for analyzing stuff like this. Thanks again, and good luck with the upcoming exciting events!


Join us in the Reading Room.

'Thinking hard'.

squire online:
Footerama: "Tolkien would have LOVED it!" (improved!)
The Valaquenta discussion

Password to delete message:  



TheOneRing.net Rumour Mill's RPGBoard script (V2.22) was created by Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper of Resonator Software.  It is copylefted under the conditions of the GNU Public License (GPL).  It can be freely distributed and modified as long as it retains its GPL status. 


home | contact us | back to top | site map | search | join list | Content Rating

This site is maintained and updated by fans of The Lord of the Rings, and is in no way affiliated with Tolkien Enterprises or the Tolkien Estate. We in no way claim the artwork displayed to be our own. Copyrights and trademarks for the books, films, articles, and other promotional materials are held by their respective owners and their use is allowed under the fair use clause of the Copyright Law. Design and original photography however are copyright © 2000 TheOneRing®.net. TheOneRing® is a registered service mark with exclusive right to grant use assigned to The One Ring, Inc. Unique Design by DesignHeroes.com