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Nick: Menelwyn (Registered User)
Date/Time: Fri, 10/15/2004 at 20:17 EDT (Fri, 10/15/2004 at 18:17 CST)
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In Reply To: Sil Discussion: Of the Coming of Men – Part 5: The Sundering of Men  <eowyn_rohan>  [10/15/2004 @ 13:28]  (4/6)
Subject:
hope coming from Men
Message:

Only addressing your last question here, about what hope the Elves find in the coming of Men.  Certainly, I think they see that they have a somewhat better chance in the war against Morgoth with additional people on their side.  I don't know what the various Elves think their chances are against Morgoth at this point in the story, but one always rejoices in good fortune upon finding it.

But I think it does go further than just the immediate issue of the war against Morgoth; some of my ideas here were also present in my earlier post this week.  The Elves know that Men are the Secondborn of Iluvatar, and that both groups are part of one of Eru's great themes of Creation.  Indeed, they are part of that theme which is involved in turning evil to ultimate good, however long that takes.  The coming of Men, therefore, is surely a cause for the ultimate hope, that of Arda Healed.

from the Arthrabeth Finrod ah Andreth (HoME X); Finrod speaks: This then, I propound, was the errand of Men, not the followers, but the heirs and fulfillers of all: to heal the Marring of Arda, already foreshadowed before their devising; and to do more, as agents o fthe magnificence of Eru: to enlarge the Music and surpass the Vision of the World!  For that Arda Healed shall not be Arda Unmarred, buta third thing and a greater, and yet the same....And then suddenly I beheld as a vision Arda Remade; and there the Eldar completed but not ended could abide in the present for ever, and there walk, maybe, with the CHildren of Men, their deliverers, and sing to them such songs as, evin in the Bliss beyond bliss, should make the green valleys ring and the everlasting mountain-tops to throb like harps.

How's that for what the Elves hope for?

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