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Nick: eowyn_rohan (Registered User)
Date/Time: Fri, 10/15/2004 at 14:11 EDT (Fri, 10/15/2004 at 11:11 PDT)
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Sil Discussion: Of the Coming of Men – Part 6: Melian’s Prophecy
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Let us now turn to Thingol’s stubbornness and Melian’s Prophecy.


It is said that in all these matters none save Finrod Felagund took counsel with King Thingol, and he was ill pleased, both for that reason, and because he was troubled by dreams concerning coming of Men, ere ever the first tidings of them were heard. Therefore he commanded that Men should take no lands to dwell in save in the north, and that the princes whom they served should be answerable for all that they did; and he said: ‘Into Doriath shall no Man come while my realm lasts, not even those of the house of Beor who serve Finrod the beloved.’ Melian said nothing to him at that time, but afterwards she said to Galadriel: ‘Now the world runs on swiftly to great tidings. And one of Men, even of Beor’s house, shall indeed come, and the Girdle of Melian shall not restrain him, for doom greater than my power shall send him; and the songs that shall spring from that coming shall endure when all Middle-earth is changed.’

Q1: Why do think Thingol had troubled dreams of Men, even before he had heard tidings of them. What kind of 'troubles' do you think he envisions? How do you think he came to know of the Secondborn? Melian? Rumor from other Elven lands? The Noldorin?

Q2: Do you think Melian refers only to Beren? Or also Hurin ?

Q3: Do you think the ‘doom’ is the parting with Luthien, the coming of the Silmarils, the Fall of Doriath, or all of these? Other thoughts?

~Eowyn.

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