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Nick: N.E. Brigand (Registered User)
Date/Time: Thu, 10/14/2004 at 20:59 EDT
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In Reply To: Hmmm, I don't think Tolkien would play on an Arabic name  <drogo_drogo>  [10/14/2004 @ 17:57]  (2/18)
Subject:
Although Tom Shippey...
Message:

has suggested an Arabic borrowing by Tolkien, albeit by way of medieval Europe.  Forgive me for paraphrasing the following from one of my own posts in May (curiously, my post followed right after one of yours (headed with “It is Saruman, only reduced to a hobbit-sized villain”) in a thread about the name Sharkey.)

Shippey suggests that "Sharkey" from "sharku" could be a corruption of “sheik” (!) derived from the 14th Century text, The Voyages and Travels of Sir John Mandeville, Knight, which Shippey says any medievalist would know; the work is often referred to as Mandeville’s Travels.  (“Mandeville” may not have been a real person, by the way.)  Mandeville’s specific reference was to Sheik-al-Jabal, the "Old Man of the Mountains," that is, Hassan ben Sabbah and his successors in the mountain refuge of Almut in Persia, who led the 11th-13th century terrorist group known as the Hashishin, the "eaters of hashish," or as we know the word, "assassin."

Both the real word "sheik" and Tolkien's orkish "sharku" mean "old man."

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