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Nick: eowyn_rohan (Registered User)
Date/Time: Thu, 10/14/2004 at 13:55 EDT (Thu, 10/14/2004 at 10:55 PDT)
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Sil Discussion: Of the Coming of Men – Part 4: Etymologies
Message:

A little shy and embarrassed about being linguistically illiterate, I pulled out some entries from the Old English dictionary, just for some fun; I also tried with the Quenya roots. My apologies to the linguistic experts here, I’m almost sure this post will sound silly to them.

Just for fun, I thought we could speculate on any possible word play employed.
~Eowyn.

1. Estolad

Quenya:
lad = plain, valley


Old English :
ea = MnE river
tó = [] prefix 1. with accent it has the meaning of to 2. with out accent it has meaning to mark out, assign
east = MnE east
éastæð = MnE river bank, sea shore
lád [] 1. f (-e/-a) course, journey; 1 way, street, waterway; leading, carrying; maintenance, support; 2. f (-e/-a) clearing from blame or accusation, purgation, exculpation

Estolad = east to the land, where the lands are Beleriand? eastern plains? Other speculations?

2. Beor

Quenya:
nothing of significance


Old English:
béor [] n (-es/-) strong drink, beer, mead

Other close entries:
bær [] 1. adj bare, uncovered; naked, unclothed; 2. past 3rd sing of beran
bǽr [] 1. f (-e/-a) bier; handbarrow, litter, bed; [beran]; 2. a pasture; 3. see bár
bǽre [] suffix (from beran); forms derivative adjectives from nouns, as in cwealmbǽre

beran1 [] sv/t4 3rd pres birð past bær/bǽron ptp geboren to bear, carry, bring, take away, carry out, extend; bring forth, produce; be situated by birth; wear; endure, support, sustain; ~ bár [] m (-es/-as) boar

béorn = man, warrior
beorht [] 1. adj bright, shining, brilliant, light, clear; clear-sounding, loud; excellent, distinguished, remarkable, beautiful, magnificent, noble, glorious; pure, sublime, holy, divine; 2. n (-es/-) brightness, gleam, light; sight; éagan ~ twinkling of an eye

I'm not quite sure what to think here? béor = mead dweller, strong (beer-like) ? Or is just béorn minus the n?

3. Haladin

Quenya:
Since 'hadhod' derives from 'Kha'root, perhaps kal
kal = shine
adan = Men


Old English:
hál1 [] adj hale, whole, entire, uninjured, healthy, well, sound, safe, genuine, straightforward; hail
hala [] 1. m (-n/-n) after-birth; [helan]; 2. ge~ m (-n/-n) counselor, confidant, supporter
hæle2 [] m (-es/-as) man, hero

denn [] n (-es/-) 1. den, lair of a beast, cave; 2. swine-pasture, a woodland pasture for swine;

Shining men [Quenya]? or just Men [Old English]? Or Men who live in pasture lands?

4. Marach

Quenya:
mar = root not found
mal = gold
lhach = to flame


Old English:
mára [] masc adj greater, more, stronger, mightier; fem, neut máre; cmp of micel; spl
ác [] f (ǽc/ǽc) oak; ship of oak; m (-es/-as) name of the rune for a
mǽrác [] f (-ǽc/-ǽc) boundary-oak

Any thoughts here? Is it just a coincidence with the 'oak'?

5. Amlach

Quenya (a little far fetched, but worth a try):
amarth = doom, (Master of doom in Sindarin)
lhach = to flame


Old English:
ám [] m (-es/-as) the reed or slay of a weaver’s loom?
lác [] n (-es/-), f (-e/-a) play, sport; 2 strife, battle; sacrifice, offering; gift, present; booty; 2 message

I was almost disappointed (perhaps foolishly) to see no negative connotations from Old English from 'am' here given that Morgoth chooses to speak from Amlach's form (discussion will follow soon). Maybe this was a hybrid word-play (Quenya ‘am’ and Old English ‘lac’)? Any thoughts?

6. Haleth

Quenya:
nothing of significance


Old English
hæleð2 [] m (-es/-as) man, hero, fighter [alt pl uninflected]

Very interesting. I'm not surprized, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. (A discussion of Haleth will follow soon).

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