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Nick: squire (Registered User)
Date/Time: Sun, 10/3/2004 at 12:11 EDT (Sun, 10/3/2004 at 11:11 EST)
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In Reply To: Don't forget that both Tolkien  <Elf_Maven>  [10/2/2004 @ 13:03]  (4/13)
Subject:
Universal assertions actually lack much power
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Your proposition, that all stories are the story of the Fall and Redemption of Man, is arguable, but so broad as to be meaningless in helping us understand story. After all, most people feel there are many different stories. True, some have said there are really only 2 or 3 -- and some only 1 like you and perhaps Tolkien and Lewis -- but I feel we can go deeper than that in thinking about mankind's need to tell tales.

In thinking about what it means to say all stories are of the Fall of Man, I guess it means that man perceives that he has a higher power within himself than the simple emotional wants and needs of all other animals -- what we might call the power of higher reason, or from another angle, a divine spark or soul. Yet we perceive that most human pain comes from the conflict between these two forces within each individual. A paradise (Eden) would be where the two do not conflict -- and perhaps because we do not remember that conflict affecting our childhood, we yearn for that early paradise in a mythical past that echoes our early lives as innocent children.

So the Fall is man's recognition that he does not fully live up to his potential, given him as it is denied the other animals.

If this drama, this conflict, is within every human, then it seems clear that talking about it is a universal topic among all people; it is the one thing we all have in common as human beings. So story, a way of communicating personal experience to other persons, focuses on telling, explaining, or otherwise meditating on the human condition: The Fall, and the possibility, always sensed, of Redemption.

By this thinking, the Christian story of the Fall and the Redemption, is just one of many, many stories on this topic. It is very powerful and well known, and goes back to the origins of our current civilization, so it is not surprising that Tolkien might remark that all stories are it.

But it's so simplistic a remark! So what? How do stories differ, not how are all stories alike, is what interests me -- and I would guess it is what interests most people who think about story. All Tolkien is saying, as far as I can see, is that all stories are human, or about what it is to be human. And what else could they be, what else could they be about?

Tolkien and Lewis, I guess, are just reminding people who ignore the power of religion, that it too is a story, and that the Fall represents modern life and has meaning in their own times. A truth to be remembered, if some have forgotten it. But not really all that powerful an insight.



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