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Nick: dna (Registered User)
Date/Time: Fri, 10/1/2004 at 19:24 EDT
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In Reply To: Sil-Ch 14. Q8  Pillow Talk  <Arquen>  [9/30/2004 @ 19:35]  (6/12)
Subject:
Galadriel's reticence Part 1
Message:

Just want to comment on a couple of things brought up in the last 2 threads which point to Galadriel's unusually reticent nature, as well as her complex relationship with Celeborn.  (Great essay btw. - perfect exhibit of Celeborn's eventual destiny as King of the Sindar, even though he never claimed such a title, and how important this was, despite being overshadowed by the 'Queen of the Noldor')

First of all, the source of a lot of this material must be Galadriel herself - certainly any intimate conversations with Melian.  In fact, I would think that she & Celeborn remained primary sources for much of the histories that made their way into the hands of Elvish loremasters of the Third Age.

Why is this important?  Because, as we know, history is always written by the victors, or in this case, the survivors.  And, while I'm not suggesting that G & C were historical revisionists along the lines of a [insert any dictator here] - her reticent nature, even around Melian, shows just how carefully astute she is with info that could be socio-politically destructive (not to mention self-incriminating! - a pride that I think she's definitely not above).

This brings up the popular topic of G.'s 'guilt'.  Now its a debate, bandied about by Tolkien himself, just how much she was involved in the Kinslaying.  Questions, and differing versions of this, I would suggest, could point right to G herself.  Furthermore, she was also most likely present at Doriath's Ruin, along with C.  And I know we're not there yet, but its not giving away too much to say that no matter how you look at it, this was possibly the blackest mark on all of the 'Free Peoples' as a whole (Ents included), as Morgoth had really nothing to do but sit back and watch!  I'm sure it was one of THE politically and racially sensitive issues for the next 2 Ages, affecting any potential alliances, especially of Dwarves & Elves.  If G & C are even, in part, sources for any written histories, it would certainly be wise to withold such politically volatile details.  Thus, the differing & sketchy versions that exist with regard to that event (really hard to ignore, even if you adhere to the Sil-version).

The point I'm eventually getting at is that the 'History of Galadriel & Celeborn' as given in UT (which CT cites as 'more full of problems' than anything else), is a bunch of very sketchy and differing accounts.  Yet it is quoted and referred to quite often, due to the fact that it sheds light on 2 very important characters, that is not really found anywhere else. This discussion, as well as the Celeborn essay prove this by mentioning some of that material.  Their separation in the 2nd Age for one thing, when G spent some interesting & rather intimate moments with Celebrimbor; as well as the 'mysterious' Amroth.

Anyway, late for work, but I have more to say, so there'll be a Part 2...

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