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Nick: Arquen (Registered User)
Date/Time: Thu, 9/30/2004 at 19:35 EDT (Thu, 9/30/2004 at 15:35 PST)
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Sil-Ch 14. Q8  Pillow Talk
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Sil-Ch 14. Q8 

Wherein we find out just how much Thingol listens to Melian.

And Melian spoke then no more of these matters with Galadriel; but she told to King Thingol all that she had heard of the Silmarils. 'This is a great matter,' she said, 'greater indeed than the Noldor themselves understand; for the Light of Aman and the fate of Arda lie locked now in these things, the work of Fëanor, who is gone. They shall not be recovered, I foretell, by any power of the Eldar; and the world shall be broken in battles that are to come, ere they are wrested from Morgoth. See now! Fëanor they have slain, and many another, as I guess; but first of all the deaths they have brought and yet shall bring was Finwë your friend. Morgoth slew him, ere he fled from Aman.'


Portent alert.  Does the foretelling that the power of the Eldar will not recover the Sils spook Thingol? Why does she choose to remind him about Finwë just now?


Then Thingol was silent, being filled with grief and foreboding; but at length he said: 'Now at last I understand the coming of the Noldor out of the West, at which I wondered much before. Not to our aid did they come (save by chance); for those that remain in Middle-earth the Valar will leave to their own devices, until the uttermost need.



Thingol voices distrust of the Valar, despite having been to Valinor.  Now it looks like his people have been abandoned, particularly since the Noldor have decided to take matters into their own hands.  This seems to be the moment his doubt crystallizes. 

http://www.henneth-annun.net/stories/chapter_view.cfm?STID=1372&SPOrdinal=1
for an interesting essay on the character of Celeborn, a relative of Thingol, and the Sindar temperment in general.


For vengeance and redress of their loss the Noldor came. Yet all the more sure shall they be as allies against Morgoth, with whom it is not now to be thought that they shall ever make treaty.'
But Melian said: 'Truly for these causes they came; but for others also. Beware of the sons of Fëanor! The shadow of the wrath of the Valar lies upon them; and they have done evil, I perceive, both in Aman and to their own kin. A grief but lulled to sleep lies between the princes of the Noldor.'



Well, she tries to warn him that it isn't so simple, and that it is the wrath of the Valar, not the ordinary workings of the Valar, that is the problem.  Why doesnt he listen to her?   

And Thingol answered: 'What is that to me? Of Fëanor I have heard but report, which makes him great indeed. Of his sons I hear little to my pleasure; yet they are likely to prove the deadliest foes of our foe.'

'Their swords and their counsels shall have two edges,' said Melian; and afterwards they spoke no more of this  matter.


Tragic flaw alert:  Thingol has fallen for the old "Misleading Prophecy" trick, and also doesn't trust the Valar, who he thinks has left ME to twist in the wind.    Poor guy, how was he to know that there was a Plot Twist coming?  Sindarin elves and their tempers...     


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