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Nick: Kimi (Forum Admin)
Date/Time: Wed, 9/15/2004 at 21:43 EDT (Thu, 9/16/2004 at 14:43 NZDT)
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In Reply To: TheSil: Chapter 11-- We Have a Plan  <Altaira>  [9/15/2004 @ 12:24]  (2/5)
Subject:
But is it a good plan?
Message:

Coincidentally, I came across this last night when looking for something else entirely :-)

"The last effort of this [demiurgic] sort made by the Valar was the raising up of the Pelori - but this was not a good act: it came near to countering Morgoth in his own way - apart from the element of selfishness in its object of preserving Aman as a blissful region to live in." (From Morgoth's Ring, "Myths Transformed".)

Now, to be fair, I must add that there's a later version of this passage where JRRT's gentler on the Valar:

"It is possible to view this as, if not an actually bad action, at least as a mistaken one. Ulmo disapproved of it. It had one good, and legitimate, object: the preservation incorrupt of at least part of Arda. But it seemed to have a selfish or neglectful (or despairing) motive also.... The 'Hiding of Valinor' came near to countering Morgoth's possessiveness by a rival possessiveness...."

Note the use of "possible" and "seems". Later in this section, Tolkien says that he "thinks" it's wrong to see this as selfishness, a wrong view caused by our being under the Shadow.

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