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Nick:	Chip of Dale (Registered User)
Date/Time:	Fri, 9/3/2004 at 1:29 EDT (Fri, 9/3/2004 at 13:29 CCT)
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In Reply To:	Freud, girl-monsters and boy-monsters <Penthe> [9/2/2004 @ 23:36] (2/6)
Subject:	When they're at odds, they're really at odds
Message:
I think a comparison again to Manwe and Varda is useful. Manwe hears all through the whispers of birds on the wing, Varda sees all by the light she expresses; but together they do both. Their different principles come together to enable both to greater efficacy: an ideal union between masculine and feminine. Whereas, Melkor and Ungoliant show the negative dynamic: using each other, distrusting each other, and turning on each other, and both being lessened in the temporary alliance. It interests me that Melkor and Manwe were "twins", though Melkor perhaps was elder and had more "strength" while Manwe was closer to Iluvatar and had more "wisdom". Is Ungoliant equal-in-negative to Varda? I always thought Ungoliant was a "mere" Maia, while Varda is an expression of the Light of Iluvatar. I see a mirror, though, in that both are "late-comers" to Arda: Ungoliant creeps in after the world is made, and Varda arrives from the deep halls of Ea where she was making stars. --- The Lord of the Rings Rock Classics Soundtrack Pirates, chiefs, queens, maidens, blue wizards, an ancient Jewel, and one incorrigibly curious hobbit: The Falcon: The Adventures of Peregrin Took. Can you ever go home again?

Message Thread:

Silmarillion Ch 9 Flight of the Noldor <Galadriel1a> [8/31/2004 @ 17:56] (4/30)

primordial chaos/Ge <Guriel> [9/2/2004 @ 4:29] (0/0)
No honor among thieves. <erather> [8/31/2004 @ 22:24] (0/0)
Ungoliant thinks harder <Kimi> [8/31/2004 @ 21:31] (4/26)

Thanks for quoting that <drogo_drogo> [9/2/2004 @ 17:14] (1/11)

Imagine a giant spider version of Carcharoth <Galadriel1a> [9/2/2004 @ 17:49] (2/10)

The Light of the Trees already <Curious> [9/3/2004 @ 5:55] (1/8)

Yes but the silmarils would burn her <Galadriel1a> [9/3/2004 @ 7:56] (1/7)

I don't see <Curious> [9/3/2004 @ 9:11] (1/6)

But the Silmarils burned Morgoth <Galadriel1a> [9/3/2004 @ 9:32] (1/5)

Yavanna feared <Curious> [9/4/2004 @ 6:06] (2/4)

And by the way the Balrogs whips <Galadriel1a> [9/4/2004 @ 6:42] (0/0)
Do you mean that Ungoliat was mightier than Varda? <Galadriel1a> [9/4/2004 @ 6:37] (1/2)

a little dilemma? <an seileachan> [9/4/2004 @ 11:15] (1/1)

I think she would have sufferd but kept the Silmarils anyway (No Text) <Galadriel1a> [9/4/2004 @ 12:21] (0/0)

*run away, run away* (No Text) <Penthe> [9/2/2004 @ 23:27] (0/0)

Are you quoting from the text? <Curious> [9/2/2004 @ 5:30] (1/10)

*Is nervous* <Kimi> [9/2/2004 @ 5:42] (1/9)

Thanks, I completely missed <Curious> [9/2/2004 @ 6:42] (2/8)

Freud, girl-monsters and boy-monsters <Penthe> [9/2/2004 @ 23:36] (2/6)

The problem with Freudian <Curious> [9/3/2004 @ 6:31] (1/4)

I think the thing with Freud is <Entmaiden> [9/3/2004 @ 9:43] (1/3)

Yes, but <Curious> [9/3/2004 @ 21:13] (2/2)

Yes, which livens the discussion, IMO <Entmaiden> [9/4/2004 @ 13:02] (0/0)
Spot on, Curious <Penthe> [9/4/2004 @ 0:16] (0/0)

When they're at odds, they're *really* at odds <Chip of Dale> [9/3/2004 @ 1:29] (0/0)

Me too <Altaira> [9/2/2004 @ 10:07] (0/0)

"the power that had gone out of him" <Altaira> [9/2/2004 @ 0:46] (0/0)
Ophelia? (No Text - Link Inside) <erather> [8/31/2004 @ 22:18] (1/1)

You win! (No Text - Image Inside) <Kimi> [8/31/2004 @ 22:27] (0/0)

Melkor and Ungoliant breaks up <Galadriel1a> [8/31/2004 @ 17:58] (0/0)

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