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Nick: Ransom (Registered User)
Date/Time: Wed, 9/1/2004 at 17:41 EDT
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In Reply To: Tolkien despised enforced "sharing,"  <Curious>  [9/1/2004 @ 15:25]  (2/6)
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Perhaps I misunderstood
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For I completely agree with this statement:  "The Valar could not force Feanor to give up the Silmarils, but Feanor was undoubtedly wrong to refuse them.  Having a right and being right are two different things."  That latter sentence is well-put and a principle all too often ignored.

Penthe should certainly correct me if I'm misrepresenting his theory, but I see it as a rule utilitarian explanation of the moral imperative for generosity.  I don't see "utilitarian" and "pragmatic" as necessarily bad things.  And I don't read Penthe's theory as being based solely on self-interest, but in recognizing the connection between self-interest and the community interest.   

From Penthe:  "The evil act is to not give of it generously. Not because selfishness is intrinsically wrong, but because it undermines the structure of the society, and the place of the individual in the kinship networks. The value of ‘good’ is to belong to your group, and to belong in the right place. Giving symbolises this position of ‘rightness’."

Finally, I think the personal sacrifice of Frodo is different.  For example, I don't think Frodo would be blameworthy if he did not volunteer to take up the Ring at the Council of Elrond (whereas Feanor WAS blameworthy for not agreeing to give up the Silmarils).  The duty of charity is not a duty of martyrdom.

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