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Nick: Kimi (Forum Admin)
Date/Time: Tue, 8/31/2004 at 21:31 EDT (Wed, 9/1/2004 at 14:31 NZDT)
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In Reply To: Silmarillion Ch 9 Flight of the Noldor  <Galadriel1a>  [8/31/2004 @ 17:56]  (4/30)
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Ungoliant thinks harder
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(A virtual chocolate fish to anyone who gets the reference.)

It was remarked on last week that Ungoliant was passive rather than active, just going where Morgoth pointed and not appearing to have any ideas of her own. She seemed more bestial then, too; she didn't even get any lines of dialogue.

But now Morgoth has "put his power into her", and she's not so obliging. She knows what she wants, and she's (for the moment, at least) more powerful than Morgoth.

Ungoliant reads a little like Frankenstein's monster here. Did Morgoth not think through how he'd control her? Did he put more of his power into her than he meant to?

Oh dear. I'll confess that I'd never really seen the significance of Ungoliant's gender before these discussions, but this image of the male putting his power into the female, temporarily weakening himself and giving her power over him is making me squirm. I think I'll leave that line of thought alone.

Getting G-rated again (I hope): I wonder if Ungoliant *could* speak before Morgoth put some of his power into her. Did she return to the bestial when (if?) that power faded?

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