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Nick: Galadriel1a (Registered User)
Date/Time: Tue, 8/31/2004 at 17:56 EDT
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Silmarillion Ch 9 Flight of the Noldor
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Meanwhile Morgoth escaping from the pursuit of the Valar came to the wastes of Araman.
This land………..geography………….Together they went on fot Morgoth could not elude Ungoliant, and her cloud was still upon him, and all her eyes were upon him; and they came to those lands that lay north of the Firth of Drengist. Now Morgoth was drawing near to the ruins of Angband, where his great western stronghold had been; and Ungoliant perceived his hope, and knew that hjere he would seek to escape from her, and she stayed him, demanding that he fulfill his promise.
´Blackheart!`she said. Í have done thy bidding. But I hunger still.´
`What wouldst thou have more?` sais Morgoth. ´Dost thou desire all th world for thy belly? I did not vow to give thee that. I am its Lord.`
  ´Not so much,`said Ungoliant. `But thou hast a great treasure from Formenos; I will have all that. Yea,with both hands thou shalt give it.`
Then perforce Morgoth surrendered to her the gems that he bore with him, one by one grudgingly; and she devoured the and their beauty perished from the world.
Huger and darker yet grew Ungoliant, but lust was unsated.´with one hand thou givest,` she said `with the left only.  Open thy right hand.´
In this right hand Morgoth held the Silmarils, and though they were locked in a crystal basket, they had begun to burn him, and his hand was clenched in pain; but he would not open it.´Nay´he said. ´Thou hast had thy due. For with my power that I put into thee thy work was accomplished. I need thee no more. These things thou shalt not have, nor see. I name them unto myself forever.
But Ungoliant had grown great, and he less by the power that ha d gone out of him; and she rose against him, and her cloud  closed about him, and she enmeshed him in a web of clinging thongs to strangle him . Then Morgoth sent forth a terrible cry ,that echoed in the montains.

The first thieves cuarrel it is called in Morgoths ring
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Any comments on this passage? Ungoliat and Melkor were thoroughly delt with last week.

Does this passage teach us anything more about their characters?
Could it ever have worked betweem the two?
Ungoliants hunger makes me think of very ancient religions.
Ifthe  Silmarillion was a real mythologie in our world, I would guess that Ungoliant was a survivior from a predecessing pantheon who had been included in the current one.

I don´t know if it was said last week that spiders also

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