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Nick: beren_boy (Registered User)
Date/Time: Tue, 8/3/2004 at 19:53 EDT (Tue, 8/3/2004 at 23:53 GMT)
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In Reply To: Great summary!  <Liath>  [8/3/2004 @ 17:51]  (1/3)
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Hmmm....
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There is definately a parrallel between the mortuary practices of the ancient Egyptians and the Numenorean's and Gondorian's, but I don't think that its a direct comparison as such. As far as I'm aware (wiser ones may know differently) Tolkien was never much interested in the ancient Eqyptians. I think what we see of the Eqyptians in the Numenorean's comes again from the human fear of death, something that many is seen in most cultures, certianly ones that become highly organised and tied to ideas of ownership and sedentism. Its interesting to note that at first mortuary rights were used more a way of establishing control (in the landscape of the mind) over the wilderness in which farmers were trying to settle. Later burial rights becames about establishing community claims to landscape and cultural memory. There is very little that shows explicitly that people feared death, and as much as can be infered of pre-historic religions and what is know of Aboriginal and other Indigenous religions seems to indicate they view death as part of a natural cycle, to be respected but not nesscarily feared. It is only once cultures got really established and rooted into their landscapes (and an idea of linear time emerges) that we begin to see fear of death emerging, as people begin to believe that they will lose everything and be forgotten.
I don't know how much of that can really be seen in the developing ideas about death in the Sil, or how much of it Tolkien knew about or accepted. I think he understood the human fear of death however, and in all cultures where this fear of death evolves, similar rights to those of the ancient Egyptins, or the early Romans, or the Anglo-Saxons, or the Numenoreans, Gondorians or people of Rohan develop. People who can construct elaborate monuments and riuals, so that even if they have to die, they personally will be remebered... and they will try and put off dying for as long as possible!

As for the houses of healing, again, there are parallels with the ancient Egyptians, but again, I think not directly. The Numenoreans share a medical knowledge that all fairly advanced cultures do. The Romans were also good healers, as were many of the early Muslim civilisations.

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