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Nick: beren_boy (Registered User)
Date/Time: Sun, 8/1/2004 at 17:20 EDT (Sun, 8/1/2004 at 21:20 GMT)
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In Reply To: Ireland  <MWStrider>  [7/31/2004 @ 1:48]  (11/20)
Subject:
I've recently been reading...
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... a book entitled "Facing the Ocean- the Atlantic and its Peoples". It has some interesting facts about islands laying to the West of the continent and Britain and Ireland. Legends of sunken lands are two a penny, from the legend of Ker Is (an island town sunk by the evil daughter of the King), the submerging of Cantre'r Gwaelod in Welsh folklore and the Cornish legend of the sinking of Lyonesse. These legends were recorded as early as the 16th century. Also of note are the many early maps, from 1400 up until as recently as the 19th century, which show not only real Atlantic islands, but imaginary ones as well (one shows over 400 false islands off the shores of Africa and Europe). Monks and pilgrims from Europe, England and Ireland would often travel out into the Atlantic, returning later with tales of islands with towers and buildings on, glimpsed from afar: the 'Voyage of Mael Duin's Boat' or the 'Navigatio Brendani' being examples of this.
It is probable that Tolkien, being both a philologist and a catholic, would have been aware of some of these early sailors writings, and perhaps even linked them to influencing the Atlantis myth. In creating a mythology and cosmology for Britain, it may also have occured to him that this quite major thread in existing European mythology and cosmology would fit well. Added to this is, of course, the symbolism of the west to Euopean and Christian culture strongly effects the placing of Aman. The place of the Elves birth is in the East, from where the sun will rise, the place of their final resting is in the West, where the sun sets. West represnts death and ending, but in many cosmologies the ideal of an extreme and unreachable east and west carries with it myths of 'paradise on earth' in those places, where the sun is born and where the sun dies. This can be seen especially in the travels of Gil-Galad and in Eqyptian mythology.
I think therefore that Tolkien probably was not thinking of Ireland when he placed and wrote of Valinor and the Blessed Realm. Rather he was placing his 'earthly paradise' in a cosmologically logical place that would have made sense both to the dwellers of his 'Europeanised' world and to us modern readers, who mainly exist in a European or North/South cosmoligcal framework. It just so happens that the Ireland that exists in many of our minds resembles the closest that we can think of to Aman, and, being an island to the west of Britain, we can easily create a link.

As a footnote, for those who are interested, I noticed someone saying about Egyptians burying their dead to the West, which can further illustrate my point about cosmological orientation. The ancient Egyptian were actually australicised... that is their 'North' is in fact our south, since the major cardinal point for ancient Egypt was the source of the Nile. West in ancient eqypt would have been on your right, not your left. This also tied in nicely with the fact that there was a huge desert to the west of Egypt (their east!). The sun set into a region that was associated with death and chaos, and so it seemed a logical place to bury the dead.

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