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Nick: lucia (Registered User)
Date/Time: Thu, 7/15/2004 at 20:53 EDT (Thu, 7/15/2004 at 19:53 CDT)
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In Reply To: Ainulindale #8 Enter Valar  <CelebornsMirror>  [7/15/2004 @ 17:05]  (11/26)
Subject:
Valar fashion statements
Message:

1.)  Where does the raiment that the Valar clothe themselves come from?  As in, who creates that?

The Valar clothe themselves in their own thoughts i.e. they directly manifest their own coverings.

2.) What do you picture the Valar to look like?  Are they bound to size?

They look like the Children of Iluvatar i.e. probably the elves except with "greater majesty and splendor" which means more beautiful, radiant, and maybe larger.

3.) The way I read it, the Valar have gender, but the physical expression of it is not what makes their gender.  Why the inclusion of this specification?

Good question. Since gender usually applies to sexual roles in a culture (for example the Mohave tribe has 14 gender roles)or physical sexual characteristics, and Tolkien is clearly pointing out that the "gender" of the Valar exists prior to physicality or culture, it is not obvious why he did this. His point is that Spirit has gender. As I consider this, a question comes to mind, are there any Female Angels in the catholic cosmology? Is he possibly responding to that along with following the culture prototype of male and female gods from celtic/saxon etc folklore?

4.) What of the name "Valar?"

Mostly sounds like "valiant" to me.

"...men's hearts are not often as bad as their acts, and very seldom as bad as their words." Tolkien, letter #250.

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