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Nick: drogo_drogo (Registered User)
Date/Time: Thu, 7/15/2004 at 19:37 EDT (Thu, 7/15/2004 at 17:37 CST)
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In Reply To: Ainulindale #8 Enter Valar  <CelebornsMirror>  [7/15/2004 @ 17:05]  (11/26)
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Incarnation
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1.)  Where does the raiment that the Valar clothe themselves come from?  As in, who creates that?

Spirit becoming or taking on flesh, incarnation another Christological association here, but the divine being able to wear form like clothing is a feature of many religion systems.  This is another one of those mysteries that cannot be comprehended in physical terms, for it is the production of a physical form out of a non-physical essence and begs the question what physical form is. 

Now the Elves are divided between the fëar (the soul or spiritual side) and hröar (the body which can be killed) and the soul has to have a house; when the body is killed, the soul must go to the Halls of Mandos and to return to the world needs to take on flesh again.  But the Valar are in essence purely spiritual beings and can exist "houseless," so they do not need a container to appear, and are (for the most part) not tied to the physical stuff of Arda.  Morgoth becomes locked in his body only after disseminating his spirit into the fabric of Middle-earth, so he's the exception.

2.) What do you picture the Valar to look like?  Are they bound to size?

Elves, only taller and grander.  They are not giants, but have a more powerful, beautiful (or terrible I should add) form than even the absurdly gorgeous firstborn Elves.

3.) The way I read it, the Valar have gender, but the physical expression of it is not what makes their gender.  Why the inclusion of this specification?

Well, Tolkien isn't one of those who believes gender is a social construct! :-)  It is an expression of soul, and the physical form is but a by-product, the way that spiritual side manifests itself inside Arda.

4.) What of the name "Valar?"

Non-etymolically correct association here, but I think of the Valkyrie whenever I see that name.  (Cue the Wagner music... the Flight of the Balrogs!!).  I like the meaning Tolkien gives that name:  the powers.  That's perfect for angelic demigods or whatever else we want to call them.


   But an equally basic passion of mine ab initio was for myth
  (not allegory!) and for fairy-story and above all for heroic
  legend on the brink of fairy-tale and history, of which there
  is far too little in the world (accessible to me) for my
  appetite....Also -- and here I hope I shall not sound absurd --
  I was from early days grieved by the poverty of my own beloved
  country: it had no stories of its own (bound up with its tongue
  and soil), not of the quality that I sought, and found (as an
  ingredient) in legends of other lands.

                                                       (Letter #131)

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