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Nick: Finrod Felagund 5 (Registered User)
Date/Time: Wed, 6/16/2004 at 14:01 EDT (Wed, 6/16/2004 at 13:01 EST)
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In Reply To: Oath taking  <2ndcreator>  [6/15/2004 @ 19:25]  (5/34)
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The oath of Finrod is viewed as noble
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Finrod swore an oath to the house of Barahir.  When Beren came to collect on that oath, in order to fulfill the quest of the Silmaril, Finrod knew that it would lead to his death, and yet also knew he must help to achieve the quest. 
   Yes, Tolkien is saying that this oath will eventually lead to Finrod's death; but he is also showing the NOBILITY of Finrod to take up this oath to give back to the house of Barahir even if it would mean his life.  He in the end gave his life to save Beren from a were wolf, killing the wolf while he himself died.  However, his noble acts didn't go unnoticed.
   With most of the Noldorin royalty in Middle-earth during the Silmarillion; after their deaths we don't hear much of them.  Of the great Feanor we hear of how he sits in the Halls of Mandos and won't come among his kin.  Although we can speculate that many of the more noble of the Noldor WERE reincarnated (Fingolfin, Fingon, Turgon, and Ecthelion; while we KNOW that Glorfindel, depending on what you believe, came back and returned to Middle-earth) Tolkien is very clear with Finrod.  "He walks with his father Finarfin in Valinor," Tolkien wrote of Finrod.  Finrod was reincarnated, and although I DO speculate the same of many of the others I named; we KNOW that is the case with Finrod Felagund.
  Does his reincarnation have to do with his keeping an oath he made in GOOD faith?  It wasn't to pursue to the death any creature, no matter what, that stole a silmaril; it was to help the family of a friend in times of utmost need.
   I don't think Tolkien is fully against oaths, but against oaths made in haste and in bad faith.  Think of the oath of Faramir not to have anything to do with the Ring.  When he said it, he didn't even know what it was; and yet because of his oath, he held to it.
   Faramir's dignity and honor wouldn't allow him to break his oath, even though it was the One Ring right within his grasp.  Faramir held to his oath and was not cursed for it. 
   At the same time; the breaking of oaths made in GOOD faith can result with horrid consequences (the army of the Dead in Return of the King was ONLY still around because of the oath they had made to help Isildur and Gondor, an oath which they had broken.  Upon breaking it, Isildur cursed them to never rest until they could fulfill the oath; something they did by helping the Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli, the sons of Elrond, and the Rangers of the North take the ships at Umbar.  Aragorn then released them to rest in peace.
   I think something a bit more intriguing to look into would be Tolkien's belief in curses.  It would seem that Vala, Maia, elf, man, dwarf, and down onto hobbits and pretty much anyone can make a curse that holds true.  The only case I can think of when a curse doesn't hold true is when the king of the dwarvish host that raided Menegroth and took the Silmaril cursed the treasure when he died and Beren reclaimed it.  The only thing that I can think of is how after the death of Beren and Luthien (when Dior, now king of Menegroth and Doriath, claimed the Silmaril) the sons of Feanor came and asaulted Doriath and never again did that kingdom rise.  So, while oaths and oath breaking are viewed differently throughout Tolkien's work, the laying of curses and the predictions of doom seem to hang over all of his work pretty steadily. 
   Thanks for the topic though, a very interesting one.

  This just in: Aragorn Elessar has become the first Heir of Numenor to be elected President of the United States.  In his election speech he has vowed to find the weapons of Middle-earth destruction held by Isengard and Mordor; but he will not limit marriages between Elves and Men.  He will, however, restrict the number of hobbits the country will accept each year.
   The vice president has been chosen as Faramir, Secretary of State is to be Gandalf the White, Legolas Greenleaf is to be the Minister of Defense, Gimli son of Gloin will be the Secretary of the Treasury, and Merry and Pippin will serve as the co-Attorney Generals; they will make sure children learn of the dangers of pipe-weed (and its benefits) from an early age.
   Asked for his comments on his devotion to his duties as President, Elessar said he would, "Follow (his people) to the end, to the very fires of Mordor."
 

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