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Nick: hatster (Forum Member)
Date/Time: Wed, 6/16/2004 at 7:16 EDT
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In Reply To: To eowyn_rohan  <2ndcreator>  [6/15/2004 @ 19:52]  (4/19)
Subject:
Make sure you take into account the final oath
Message:

that seems to be sworn by the ring itself. It seems to me that oaths have an economy of their own.

...Sam saw these two rivals with other vision. A crouching shape, scarcely more than the shadow of a living thing, a creature now wholly ruined and defeated, yet filled with a hideous lust and rage; and before it stood stern, untouchable now by pity, a figure robed in white, but at its breast it held a wheel of fire. Out of the fire there spoke a commanding voice.

'Begone, and trouble me no more! If you touch me ever again you shall be cast yourself into the Fire of Doom." (emphasis mine)

The oath does not come from Frodo, but from the fire.

Yes Ilúvatar makes the best of the oath gone wrong, but oaths (words? language?) go wrong because they speak beyond their own ken so the same words spoken worlds and contexts that have not yet happened mean something different.  The ring swears its oath against Gollum not knowing its own fate is tied to that creature's. The words take on a terribly different meaning as Gollum dances on the edge of the abyss.

Tolkien doesn't merely give us a lesson on the good or evil of oaths, but rather on the folly of expecting words to remain locked in the meaning given them when spoken.  Yes the speaker is not aware of the extremes to which an oath might go before it is fulfilled, but that is more simply because what the oath itself means will change as contexts change.

And yet, oaths seem unreliable only when observed in their immediate and earthly finality. Ilúvatar keeps oaths (language?) from deteriorating completely so that in a realm beyond the life of the oathmaker it's all eventually good.

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Fair seagull on the seething tide, like snow or the white moon in colour, your beauty is unsullied, like a patch of sunlight, gauntlet of the sea; lightly you skim the ocean wave, swift proud bird ...
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