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Nick: Atlas (Registered User)
Date/Time: Tue, 6/1/2004 at 2:50 EDT (Mon, 5/31/2004 at 22:50 PST)
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In Reply To: A Thief in the Night #2: Hi-ho, Hi-ho  <nerdanel_50>  [5/31/2004 @ 13:01]  (10/13)
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Dain and the dragon
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1. What are Dain's plans? Does he have any? Roäc doubts that any good can come from Dain's arrival--is there any way for Dain's arrival to lead to a good outcome for the dwarves?

A.1: Dain's plans are to get to the mountain and support Thorin. Beyond that, I think he and Thorin are playing it by ear. Thorin comments that he hopes to find the men to be "in softer mood to parley with". I think that Thorin is not trying to get rid of the men without giving them anything, but rather get rid of the elves without giving them anything, and to get the men to ask for their gold as between equals instead of trying to obtain it by force.

Roäc doesn't think a fight will turn out well for the dwarves, and he's probably right. But until Dain arrives, a fight would not be a catastrophe for the elves and men. Now, with 500 dwarves behind them and the moutain on the other side, the elves and men can really only hope for a Pyrrhic victory. This, in turn, will make them negotiate on more even terms.

2. If Dain is willing and able to mobilize 500 dwarves on short notice to come to Thorin's aid, why didn't more dwarves join Thorin's expedition in the first place?

A.2: It's one thing to come to reinforce a dwarven stronghold against men and elves. It's totally another to contemplate an attack on the dragon that utterly destroyed that same stronghold in the first place. The former is reasonable, the latter is practically impossible.

3. Why does Roäc think the counsel he brings is bad? What does he think Thorin et al. would have done had they not known Dain was coming? What do you think they would have done?

A.3: Roäc is concerned that a battle will turn out very badly for the dwarves and, like the narrator, doesn't seem to think that the dwarves are being rational in their attempts to hold on to the gold they have regained. Roäc clearly would have preferred that Thorin paid off the men and elves to gain peace. I think that Thorin might have done so had he no other choice, but Thorin is not one to give up when there is still a chance.

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