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Nick: Atlas (Registered User)
Date/Time: Tue, 6/1/2004 at 1:41 EDT (Mon, 5/31/2004 at 21:41 PST)
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In Reply To: A Thief in the Night #1: Playing with the Big Boys  <nerdanel_50>  [5/31/2004 @ 12:57]  (9/24)
Subject:
Revenge is a dish best served cold...
Message:

like gazpacho!

1. Does Thorin appreciate the gravity of what he has just said? Can he be unaware of the history of the Noldorin? Do dwarves take oaths less seriously than other folk in Middle Earth? If events had gone otherwise in the Battle of the Five Armies, would Thorin have sought vengeance from Bilbo?

A.1: I think so. Thorin hasn't sworn eternal enmity, promised to pursue this individual to the "ends of the earth", nor has he stated what vengeance he would take. He has made it clear that he would extract a price from any who will not give it to him. As we'll see, Bilbo will sneak out of this on a technicality. If the Battle of the Five Armies ended differently, Thorin would still not have sought vengeance on Bilbo if Thorin had gotten the Arkenstone back.

Dwarves take their oaths very seriously, which is part of why I don't see this as being that terrible. If Thorin seriously thought that any present would actually keep the Arkenstone from him, we would have seen an oath more along the lines of Fëanor's oath.

2. Assuming Thorin's promise is to be taken seriously, is he justified in making it? Fëanor, the greatest artisan in Arda, poured all his creativity into the Silmarils. Thorin's only claim to the Arkenstone is that his forebears "found" it under the Mountain, and had it stolen from them by Smaug. Is anything other than greed operating here?

A.2: Sure, why not? The Arkenstone belongs to Thorin and his house. It is very highly valued and has been stolen. Why shouldn't Thorin vow to find it and to have vengeance on those who would prevent him from regaining it? What else is operating here? Justice.

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