1. Does Thorin appreciate the gravity of what he has just said? Can he be
unaware of the history of the Noldorin? Do dwarves take oaths less seriously
than other folk in Middle Earth?
Dwarves take oaths very seriously . . . very, very seriously! And they are
unmovable like stone. I doubt he considers the history of the Noldorin even
though he is aware of them. Durin’s Folk ever made it to Beleriand; they were
mostly confined to Misty Mountains until the Third Age. However, Celebrimbor,
son of Curufin (son of Fëanor and most like him in crafting ability), settled
in Eregion in the Second Age. They had great friendship and trade with Durin’s
Folk. Celebrimbor was the forger of the Rings of Power and whom Sauron beguiled
in friendly guise. Yet how much history was exchanged between is never
discussed.
All the same, in the mood Thorin is in, I would doubt any such thoughts of the
Noldorin and the consequences of their oath have even the slightest moment of
visitation on his mind. Al thoughts seem totally driven from Thorin’s mind
accept the Gold and the Arkenstone. No consequences surely of what may befall
from such an oath.
Q: If events had gone otherwise in the Battle of the Five Armies, would Thorin
have sought vengeance from Bilbo?
What a good question. It never occurred to me that Bilbo was under that serious
of a threat. Not like it would have in the Silmarillion. Of course, there was
never any doubt, because the mood and actions of the Sons of Fëanor were often
demonstrated, right from the beginning of the Oath and that story was totally
different in scope and tone.
But here, I never thought that Bilbo was in danger of a serious nature, close,
from Thorin. It just felt that in the context of this story. Bilbo would be
spared from vengeance by Thorin, because he is the hero and must go home in the
end (it’s a children’s book after-all). Basically, it just never "felt" that
serious like it does in the Silmarillion, or in LotR. It gives me pause foe
thought to considering Bilbo’s danger in a perilous plight relative to what
Oaths mean in ME.
2. Assuming Thorin's promise is to be taken seriously, is he justified in
making it? Fëanor, the greatest artisan in Arda, poured all his creativity into
the Silmarils. Thorin's only claim to the Arkenstone is that his forebears
"found" it under the Mountain, and had it stolen from them by Smaug.
I don’t think anyone is justified in such an Oath of murder and vengeance.
Especially over and object, even Fëanor (accept against Smaug, a monster of
Morgoth, of course : -) ).
Q: Is anything other than greed operating here?
Here is a list:
Thorin himself had been held to an Oath by his Grandfather, Thrór, part of what
got him here in the first place.
He is under the Dragon Spell.
He is under threat of siege and war.
He is already in an unreasonable mood, quite like Fëanor.
The Arkenstone represents all that this ancestors died for, and his home as
well . . his rightful heritage.
It is about more than greed for an object, it’s about the symbolism and meaning
of the line of Durin. It would mean regaining all the former glory of the
kingdom of old and restoring the pride of his family and his father and his
grandfather.
* * * * * * * * * * * Chapter 15: Gathering of the Clouds — Durin Family Tree – Durin Time-line
My Art Links — Pictures by J.R.R.Tolkien — Art by Tolkien (ME Tours)
Art by Tolkien [tlotr.com] — Art by Tolkien (Council of Elrond)
Encyclopedia of Arda — Hatster's Archive
"Mightier than Estë is Nienna, sister of the Fëanturi; she dwells alone. She is acquainted with grief, and mourns for every wound that Arda suffered in the marring of Melkor. So great was her sorrow, as the Music unfolded that her song turned to lamentation long before its end, and the sound of mourning was woven into the themes of the World before it began. But she does not weep for herself; and those who hearken to her learn pity, and endurance in hope . . . All those who wait in Mandos cry to her, for she brings strength to the spirit and turns sorrow to wisdom." — Valaquenta
Aloha & Mahalo — What is The Aloha Spirit