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Nick:	PhantomS (Registered User)
Date/Time:	Fri, 4/30/2004 at 14:15 EDT (Fri, 4/30/2004 at 19:15 GB)
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In Reply To:	What if elves would have won their war against Morgoth? <Kirk_> [4/30/2004 @ 8:07] (2/33)
Subject:	They would still lose.
Message:
The entire idea of the Elves fighting against Morgoth is that it is a hopeless cause. The Free Peoples can bond against Sauron, but not the more powerful Morgoth. He is simply too evil and too strong. This situation is what brings out the hope in Elves and Men, that something will save them. The Noldor yearned for the help of the West and that of Men and Dwarves. Militarily the Union of Meadhros might have won , but Morgoth would simply shut up shop and rebuild his armies from Thangodorim. And the Union's armies would be leaving their homes undefended- outside of Doriath, nothing is safe. Perfect prey for winged Dragons, Orc spies and evil Men. The Elves might have won the battle, but come no closer to defeating Morgoth ultimately. Only Earendil's journey and self sacrifice (he forsakes true escape,the gift of Men) brings out the Maiar and the Valinorean Elves, the only forces that can stop Morgoth. There is but one task remaining in Arda-we,the Dragons of Valinor will make it happen. Lone resident of the Republic of Gondor PO-TA-TOE-S not PO -TAH-TOE-S!

Message Thread:

What if elves would have won their war against Morgoth? <Kirk_> [4/30/2004 @ 8:07] (2/33)

They would still lose. <PhantomS> [4/30/2004 @ 14:15] (1/30)

Morgoth is a Vala... <Beren IV> [5/1/2004 @ 1:18] (1/29)

But Morgoth wasn't as powerful as he originally was.. <Kirk_> [5/1/2004 @ 7:57] (3/28)

If he would have been that powerful, then he would have destroyed elves within couple weeks.. <Kirk_> [5/2/2004 @ 5:37] (2/17)

Tolkien considered modern armies the equivalent of the Ring. <Curious> [5/3/2004 @ 10:42] (1/3)

Does Morgoth ever take the title "Dark Lord"? <squire > [5/3/2004 @ 11:50] (2/2)

Besides the Barrow-wight's <Curious> [5/3/2004 @ 13:20] (0/0)
Barrow Wights <Beren IV> [5/3/2004 @ 12:51] (0/0)

A modern army? <Beren IV> [5/2/2004 @ 16:06] (2/12)

Morgoth could do that <Curious> [5/3/2004 @ 11:46] (1/6)

Those methods would require time.. <Kirk_> [5/3/2004 @ 14:35] (1/5)

He's been around for ever!! <Curious> [5/3/2004 @ 15:48] (1/4)

I didn't mean that.. <Kirk_> [5/3/2004 @ 16:41] (2/3)

This discussion just got veered into that direction.. <Kirk_> [5/4/2004 @ 5:02] (0/0)
Well, <Curious> [5/3/2004 @ 17:47] (1/1)

The magical angle <Beren IV> [5/4/2004 @ 1:17] (0/0)

Adopting completely new technology is not so fast.. <Kirk_> [5/2/2004 @ 16:22] (1/4)

That's not what I meant. <Beren IV> [5/2/2004 @ 16:30] (1/3)

I don't think that would be possible ;) <Kirk_> [5/2/2004 @ 17:37] (1/2)

We can argue this forever; <Beren IV> [5/2/2004 @ 23:42] (1/1)

True, but it still sounds quite far-fetched, even in a fantastical universe :) (No Text) <Kirk_> [5/3/2004 @ 3:40] (0/0)

Catapults? Heavens, no! <Beren IV> [5/1/2004 @ 22:13] (0/0)
Fingolfin went nuts <PhantomS> [5/1/2004 @ 11:48] (2/8)

It should be pointed out... <Ceorl> [5/2/2004 @ 12:19] (1/1)

Morgoth versus Sauron in battle <PhantomS> [5/3/2004 @ 10:46] (0/0)

But I guess that they could kill Morgoth himself with an catapult.. ;) <Kirk_> [5/1/2004 @ 12:34] (1/5)

They must have had a time machine, too... <PhantomS> [5/2/2004 @ 10:58] (1/4)

I just didn't know what kind of technology they had <Kirk_> [5/2/2004 @ 11:48] (1/3)

Think 'Greek' and 'Roman' weaponry <PhantomS> [5/3/2004 @ 10:41] (1/2)

The Greeks had hoplite armies well before Alexander... (No Text) <Beren IV> [5/4/2004 @ 1:20] (1/1)

hoplites yes, Phalanxes, no. <PhantomS> [5/4/2004 @ 13:53] (0/0)

Well, the Noldor are "cursed" <drogo_drogo> [4/30/2004 @ 9:05] (1/1)

Yes, I think that for the Noldor <Gourry> [4/30/2004 @ 9:45] (0/0)

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