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Nick: Alveric (Registered User)
Date/Time: Fri, 4/16/2004 at 9:31 EDT (Fri, 4/16/2004 at 14:31 GB)
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In Reply To: Well, those writings came  <Curious>  [4/16/2004 @ 7:15]  (2/2)
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I think they are still valid though
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I think it depends on what you mean by an Orc treating with a Elf.  I took this as no Orc negotiating with Elves, or having parleys, cease-fires, amnesties or things like that.  I think the situation where an Orc has been wounded and has an Elf sword at its throat is rather different, and though many no doubt would fight to the bitter end and never surrender, I think Tolkien's earlier passages do leave the possibility of surrender for Orcs open. 

As to how you read Tolkien's later writings in regards to the Hobbit, (or even Lord of the Rings), I think it's more a philosophical point that comes down to how you view the mythology he created.  I think you can look at it maybe as a series of discreet steps with different levels of connectivity between the different early and late phases.  Alternatively you can look at it as something Tolkien was developing throughout his life and as finished up to the point he left it, or maybe even something other people can add to.  These are all valid ways of looking at it, but I go by the middle one myself, as an expanding vision of Tolkien's, in which case these late notes could be looked on as retrospectively 'explaining' things left unclear in these earlier phases.  If you go by the first of these though, you then have to decide how much connection there is between the world of The Hobbit, The LotR's, The Silmarillion and Tolkien's late essays.  After all we can only really talk of the Elven King as Thranduil father of Legolas, and mention things like the location of Dorwinion if we have already decided that the world of The Hobbit is the same world as that of the later versions of the myths.

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