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Nick: squire (Registered User)
Date/Time: Fri, 4/2/2004 at 0:30 EDT (Thu, 4/1/2004 at 23:30 EST)
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In Reply To: Don't know of any bridges  <erather>  [3/31/2004 @ 21:51]  (3/8)
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Anduin shouldn't be fordable but apparently is
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Tolkien puts fords practically at any place he needs them, but in most cases in rivers that we MIGHT imagine have periods of low flow allowing at least seasonal fording. Judging from his map, some of his fords are a real stretch to accept. But the lower Anduin!

Anduin in its lower reaches is a continental River, akin to the Mississippi, the Nile, the Yangtze, or the Rhine. The idea of fords at Osgiliath is laughable. Fordable streams are by definition a foot deep or two at most, over a hard bed. Anduin would need to be several miles wide at Osgiliath to be fordable; an absurdity.
Nevertheless Tolkien is quite definite in his determination, so we must accept it.

I would guess he needed fords there because of the unliklihood of bridges being maintained on a border between two hostile military powers, yet he wanted the City to be a natural place of commerce and the most credible place where an attack could cross the river.

No fords are ever mentioned at Cair Andros, where roughly the same conditions apply as at Osgiliath, with the added complication that the current is if anything swifter and deeper where an island obstructs the flow.

Why is Cair Andros a natural crossing point, military base and fortification, as he insists it is? We might say, taking his note about the marshy land further north, that the river banks opposite and on Cair Andros are flattened and dry, giving excellent wagon and horse transportation right down to the water's edge. The current may be swifter, but the distance is halved. Communication across is easier. Possibly bows are effective across the river at this point, although I doubt it.

Other Fords mentioned, with greater or less credibility, are: Anduin in the upper vales at the Carrock; Bruinen (THE Ford of Frodo's flight); Isen (clearly described in TTT); Snowbourn at Edoras and at Dunharrow; Swanfleet at Tharbad; Ciril, and Gilrain, in southern Gondor; and of course Sarn Ford in the Southfarthing.

Tolkien is sparing with his bridges, as is proper in a world that is in decline as far as imperial engineering goes. Osgiliath had many bridges like most European capitals (again less likely with Anduin than with the Thames or Seine!), but all seem to be broken, if repairable. Aside from Morgul Vale, no other specific bridges are mentioned in the South country -- although their survival in abandoned Ithilien suggest that Gondor has others in its various uplands.

There was a great bridge at Tharbad, but it is ruined. Saruman employs his bridge over the Isen gorge to great tactical effect. Hoarwell and Baranduin each have bridges, survivors from the realm of Arnor. Rivendell has a defensive bridge along the same lines as the one at Khazad-dum: narrow and uncurbed. There are other bridges mentioned but they are not great, simply crossing small streams.


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