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Nick: Cressida (Registered User)
Date/Time: Mon, 3/1/2004 at 14:25 EDT (Mon, 3/1/2004 at 12:25 CST)
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In Reply To: Denethor reveals the thr Ring to Sauron?  <Ringio>  [2/29/2004 @ 11:51]  (4/14)
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Still puzzling the intricacies of palantíri
Message:

Don't you think Denethor revealed the position of the Ring to Sauron? a plot hole?

No, I don't think he did.  I think he used the Stone on his own and saw Frodo in the tower; I don't think Sauron showed Frodo to him or knew that he had been looking at Cirith Ungol.  Also, the palantír does not allow Sauron to read minds.  Unfinished Tales tells how two people using Stones in accord with each other could converse:

"Looking one at the other, they would exchange 'thought'--not their full or true thought, or their intentions, but 'silent speech,' the thoughts they wished to transmit...."  (p. 415)

UT also says that Sauron did not have his own palantír connection open at all times: 

"It must also be considered that the Stones were only a small item of Sauron's vast designs and operations ... he would not (and could not) have the Ithil-stone under perpetual observation."  (p. 407)

Why didn't Gandalf try to hide the Palantir, knowing now that on the other side there's Sauron?

Two thoughts on this question:  First, UT says that Gandalf's main concern was whether Denethor, like Saruman, had gone over to Sauron's side.  When he saw that had not happened, he may have concluded that Denethor had not been using the palantír after all.  Second, I'm not sure that Gandalf would have been able to get at the palantír of Minas Tirith.  I"m willing to bet that it was kept in a locked room, and that Denethor had the only key.

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