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Nick: Doorwarden of Theoden (Registered User)
Date/Time: Fri, 1/30/2004 at 2:41 EDT (Fri, 1/30/2004 at 1:41 CDT)
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Appendix E: Writing and letter-forms
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The Tengwar were the most ancient; for they had been developed by the Noldor, the kindred of the Eldar most skilled in such matters, long before their exile. The oldest Eldarin letters, the Tengwar of Rúmil, were not used in Middle-earth. The later letters, the Tengwar of Fëanor, were largely a new invention, though they owed something to the letters of Rúmil. They were brought to Middle-earth by the exiled Noldor, and so became known to the Edain and the Númenorians.

It appears the change was made before the Noldor left Valinor, so what prompted the change? Was the old form not good enough? I could understand a new alphabet being formed after the schism formed, but not before.

The Cirth were devised first in Beleriand by the Sindar, and were long used only for inscribing names and brief memorials upon wood or stone. To that origin they owe their angular shapes, very similar to the runes of our times, though they differed from these in details and were wholly different in arrangement. . .

. . . As with their speech the Dwarves made use of such scripts as were current and many wrote the Fëanorian letters skilfully; but for their own tongue they adhered to the Cirth, and developed written pen-forms from them.

But in our world, traditionally the the stone-carving letters come first, and the written forms after. When writing is still fairly new, it’s reserved for the very important stuff, the stuff that will be carved on stone, and later the pen-forms are derived from them. This can be seen in many early Roman manuscripts, which are written in scripts designed to emulate the writing on Roman inscriptions, the most famous of which is Trajan’s column (see the link below for a sample of the writing.) The more fluid written script comes after, which is what the Dwarves did with the Cirth. The Elves, however, reversed that order. Why would the written forms of the letters come before the carved forms? Once they have the written forms, why would they develop entirely new forms for the inscriptions instead of modifying the forms they already have?

As for the actual forms and the classifications of the letters, the consonants seem very straightforward, but again I would like to draw your attention to the way the vowels are treated—that is, they are relegated to subsidiary markings, even though they are complicated enough (as we know from the rules of pronunciation) that they would certainly merit (I think) a full set of letters of their own. I don’t have anything in particular to ask about that, though. It’s just an observation.

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But you are welcome to let your pen run as it will (it is horrible writing letters to people with whom you have to be 'careful'), since you give me such close attention, and sensitive perception.

Letters #179

Link: Trajan's column
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