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Nick: Narf (Registered User)
Date/Time: Thu, 1/15/2004 at 16:27 EDT (Thu, 1/15/2004 at 12:27 PST)
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In Reply To: Durin’s Folk #21: Chance Meeting  <Daughter of Nienna>  [1/15/2004 @ 15:36]  (2/5)
Subject:
Chance meetings in Middle-earth
Message:

Characters:

Gandalf

Thorin Oakenshield

Smaug

Sauron

Questions:

1. Chance Meeting: Do you believe it was pure chance? Or, do you think perhaps it is the same forces at work that put the Ring in Bilbo’s path, or changed the winds or brought the Eagles?

2. ‘Thought of you Also’: how much chance is it that they should each have the other in their thoughts much lately? What do you make of this?

The second question answers the first. Some force, the Valar or the One, was at work here. At least that's strongly implied. Not even Gandalf can be sure, although he suspects as much, as shown by his comment about it being called a "chance meeting" in Middle-earth but not, perhaps, in Valinor. Of course, both are free as to whether or not to act on these thoughts, and Gandalf has increased the possibility of chance meetings by his policy of roaming the West, unlike a certain other wizard who has locked himself in a tower.

Q: Does Galdalf realize Thorin has become a bit twisted with the whole revenge-lust thing.  In other words does Gandalf have any hint what has been going on with Thorin: that ‘hot embers’ in Thorin’s heart of ‘vengeance upon the Dragon’ he had inherited, and that ‘great anger burned him as he smote the red iron’, and thought of weapons and armies? [see ‘Heir without Hope’]  Is he dismissing Thorin’s brooding as sense of duty? Is he forgetting any lingering affects of the Ring? Or is that exactly what he is thinking about? Is he seeing what is in front of him or is he ignoring the clues here too as with Bilbo’s Ring? 

Vengeance seems like a pretty natural thing for a Dwarf in Thorin's position, with or without the Ring.

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