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Nick: PhantomS (Registered User)
Date/Time: Tue, 12/2/2003 at 8:50 EDT (Tue, 12/2/2003 at 13:50 GB)
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In Reply To: Not really "Die"  <drogo_drogo>  [12/1/2003 @ 8:26]  (1/2)
Subject:
worse than death, I would imagine
Message:

Death for Elves and Men (and Dwarves, I guess) means leaving Middle Earth for another place, either to stay in Mandos to be reincarnated (or in Durin's case, reanimated)or pass away altogether. But for Maia, who are native to Valinor and are more hallowed than the Vanyar, being killed in incarnate form is near impossible. Sauron was defeated by the loss of his own power into the Ring, and his anchor (his bodily form) cut loose, sending him into nothingness.

Gandalf died from the sheer effort of killing the Balrog, and his spirit was practically e-mailed to Iluvatar for assessment. Of course, he was in the body of an old man, and not Olorin the mighty.

Saruman is another "?" point. He has lost his powers and staff, and with it any skill he had as Curunir. When he gets killed, his spirit looks West and is then blown away. This might be something worse than death-Saruman is still alive but unable to communicate with anyone and unable to move anything. He is quite literally a lost soul.

There is but one task remaining in Arda-we,the Dragons of Valinor will make it happen.

Lone resident of the Republic of Gondor

PO-TA-TOE-S not PO -TAH-TOE-S!

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