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Nick: Alveric (Registered User)
Date/Time: Thu, 10/2/2003 at 4:22 EDT (Thu, 10/2/2003 at 9:22 GB)
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In Reply To: Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam were Ringbearers.  <erather>  [10/1/2003 @ 12:28]  (1/1)
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Yes, but..
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as far as Valinor goes, the Ring(s) and all their works were purely Middle-earths works, and for Middle-earth to sort out.  As I've read it, the Ring bearers are allowed to go to Valinor only as a special dispensation for standing up to the forces of Darkness so bravely and to heal their souls of the damage done to them by bearing Saurons Ring.  This would be particularly true of Frodo, but also to a lesser degree for the other Hobbits.  I therefore don't think it was simply because they bore the Ring.

Gimli, I'd guess was allowed for two linked reasons. Firstly as a representative of the Dwarves who had also bravely stood up to Sauron (though off stage from the main text of the Lord of the Rings) and who the Valar may have then wanted a closer understanding of, and secondly specifically Gimli by the intervention of Galadriel.

Finally I don't think simply membership of the fellowship entitles leave to go to Valinor, (in which case why not Aragorn at the end of his life?).  As far as Boromir goes, he has has died, and his soul would have gone briefly to the Halls of Mandos, then left Middle-earth, even if bodily resurrection of Men were possible.  As far as I know there is only one example in Tolkien of ressurection in Men happening, where Beren comes back.  This though was a very special case.  I think he actually aquited himself quite well, the evil, and overwealmingly powerful, influence of the Ring playing on his fears for his people, and doubts about the wisdom of entering Mordor count as extenuating circumstances for the incident on Amon Hen in my eyes.

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