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Nick: NZ Strider (Registered User)
Date/Time: Wed, 10/1/2003 at 15:16 EDT (Thu, 10/2/2003 at 8:16 NZDT)
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In Reply To: Valinor: Legolas goes but Arwen can't?  <Olathien>  [9/30/2003 @ 22:28]  (8/26)
Subject:
There is an inconsistency; several in fact...
Message:

1.)  Tolkien kept changing his mind on which Elves could sail West.  In Letter 154 he clearly states that only the High Elves could sail West -- Elves such as Legolas would not have been able to do so.  On the other hand, Legolas does sail (Appendix B); and it is implied that Celeborn will also (Prologue).  Celeborn at this time is still conceived of as a Silvan Elf, native to Lorien. 

2.)  In the so-called suppressed Epilogue (see Sauron Defeated = History of Middle-earth, vol. X) Tolkien has Sam state that no ships are sailing West these days: they've stopped.  As the Epilogue was written about the same time as the Prologue and the Appendices, this would imply that Arwen's statement that no ships were sailing is literally true: "There is no ship that would bear me hence."  In that case, Arwen's argument is this: while technically she might reverse her decision to die and go West, there aren't any ships sailing, so the question is moot. 
     At any rate Aragorn is clearly of the opinion that she could (at least technically) sail West. 
     Nowhere in the LotR does Tolkien say when exactly Arwen's choice to become a mortal became irreversible.  Tolkien made a statement on it, after the fact, in Letter 153, namely that she made her choice when she wed Aragorn.  This is not compatible with what Tolkien wrote in Appendix A I (v). 
     But, then again, Tolkien kept changing his mind on all of these things, so who knows...  You're entitled to make up your own mind.

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Although Frodo -- mostly to spare the old wizard's feelings -- recorded another version of the story, at the entrance to Moria it was not Gandalf who solved the riddle of the inscription, or indeed who found the door. 

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