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Nick: Curious (Registered User)
Date/Time: Wed, 10/1/2003 at 10:48 EDT (Wed, 10/1/2003 at 8:48 CST)
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In Reply To: The Tower of Cirith Ungol Discussion #5:  *hmmm*  Samwise the Strong . . .that has a nice ring to it !  <jflower >  [9/30/2003 @ 22:02]  (7/36)
Subject:
Tolkien tells us Frodo’s grandiose vision
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in Letter 246.  Speculating on what would have happened if Gollum had not retaken the Ring from Frodo, Tolkien says

“[The Nazgul] would have greeted Frodo as ‘Lord’.  With fair speeches they would have induced him to leave the Sammath Naur - for instance ‘to look upon his new kingdom, and behold afar with his new sight the abode of power that he must now claim and turn to his own purposes’.  Once outside the chamber while he was gazing some of them would have destroyed the entrance.  Frodo would by then probably have been already too enmeshed in great plans of reformed rule - like but far greater and wider than the vision that tempted Sam - to heed this.”

Tolkien also speculates on how Gandalf would have governed if he had claimed the Ring and defeated Sauron (which is probably similar to Frodo’s dreams of glory):

“Gandalf as Ring-Lord would have been far worse than Sauron. He would have remained ‘righteous’, but self-righteous. He would have continued to rule and order things for ‘good’, and the benefit of his subjects according to his wisdom (which was and would have remained great).

“[The draft ends here. In the margin Tolkien wrote: ‘Thus while Sauron multiplied [illegible word] evil, he left “good” clearly distinguishable from it.  Gandalf would have made good detestable and seem evil.’]”

Why do we see Sam’s vision, and not Frodo’s?  Why, indeed, does the point of view shift at all in this part of the story?  Well, Frodo’s point of view during the last part of the Quest might have been pretty boring, since he was focusing every last effort on resisting the Ring and letting Sam take care of everything else.  The glimpse quickly dismissed by Sam becomes a 24-hour-a-day obsession for Frodo.  Sam literally takes over the Quest at this point, while Frodo spends all his time resisting the Ring.


“I dislike Allegory - the conscious and intentional allegory - yet any attempt to explain the purport of myth or fairytale must use allegorical language.  (And, of course, the more 'life' a story has the more readily will it be susceptible of allegorical interpretations: while the better a deliberate allegory is made the more nearly will it be acceptable just as a story.)” (From Tolkien Letter # 131.)

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