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Nick: jflower (Registered User)
Date/Time: Tue, 9/30/2003 at 22:02 EDT
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The Tower of Cirith Ungol Discussion #5:  *hmmm*  Samwise the Strong . . .that has a nice ring to it !
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No sooner had he come in sight of Mount Doom, burning far away, he was aware of a change in his burden.  As it drew near the great furnaces where, in the deeps of time, it had been shaped and forged, the Ring’s power grew, and it became more fell, untamable save by some mighty will.  As Sam stood there, even though the Ring was not on him but hanging by its chain about his neck, he felt himself enlarged, as if he were robed in a huge distorted shadow of himself, a vast and ominous threat halted upon the walls of Mordor.  He felt that he had from now on only two choices:  to forbear the ring, though it would torment him; or to claim it, and challenge the power that sat in its dark hold beyond the valley of Shadows.  Already the Ring tempted him, gnawing at his will and reason.  Wild fantasies arose in his mind; and he saw Samwise the Strong, Hero of the Age, striding with a flaming sword across the darkened land, and armies flocking to his call as he marched to the overthrow of Barad-dur.  And then all the clouds rolled away, and the white sun shone, and at hi command the vale of Gorgoroth became a garden of flowers and trees and brought forth fruit.  He had only to put on the Ring and claim it for his own, and all this could be.

     In that hour of trial it was the love of his master that helped most to hold him firm; but also deep down in him lived still unconquered his plain hobbit sense:  he knew in the core of his heart that he was not large enough to bear such a burden, even if such visions were not a mere cheat to betray him.  The one small garden of a free gardener was all his need and due, not a garden swollen to a realm; his own hands to use, not the hands of others to command.

     This passage contains a lot of information that I feel is very important to the rest of the Frodo and Sam’s journey.  The passage is filled with a lot of strong imagery and we get to see quite clearly here what the Ring can do on or off one’s finger.

Q:  What are your thoughts on the Ring’s reaction to having its home in sight?  A clear description is given hear of exactly how the Ring will make one feel physically now that we have entered Mordor.  After Frodo gets the Ring back, the description of the Ring’s effects on Frodo are quite vague through the rest of the story. Q:  What are your thoughts on Tolkien using Sam instead of Frodo to show the effects of the Ring?  Q:  Does establishing the effects of the Ring through Sam effectively carry through the rest of the story and onto Frodo for the reader?

     This passage also has us see the Ring really make a direct attempt at Sam’s will.  Q:  What do you think about Sam’s power fantasy?  Any guesses or thoughts on what power fantasy Frodo would have had in this position?  What specifically is Tolkien saying about power in this passage?  What do you think about Sam really seeing and feeling that he has only two choices to pick from in regards to what he should do?

     I found Tolkien’s reminder of general hobbit sense at this moment to be quite comforting and effective.  He takes us away from just Sam being good and having simple needs to reminding us that hobbits are good and have simple needs. Q:  Did this part of the passage seem more intended to prepare the reader to reestablish Frodo as Ring-bearer to you?

Finally, Q: what are your thoughts on the passage highlighted with bold text?

Q:  Anything I missed in regards to this passage?  Speak now or forever hold your piece : )

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And there was Frodo, pale and worn, and yet himself again; and in his eyes there was peace now, neither strain of will, nor madness, nor any                            fear.  His burden was taken away.


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There is a seed of courage hidden (often deeply, it is true) in the heart of the fattest and most timid hobbit, waiting for some final and desparate danger to make it grow.  Frodo was neither very fat nor very timid; indeed, though he did not know it, Bilbo (and Gandalf)                        had thought him the best hobbit in the Shire.                                                                                                         
                             
  

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