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Nick: Morwen (Forum Member)
Date/Time: Tue, 9/16/2003 at 1:52 EDT (Tue, 9/16/2003 at 0:52 CDT)
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In Reply To: The Last Debate #1 I'm okay, you're oh so Elvish  <Kendig>  [9/14/2003 @ 22:15]  (20/85)
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Elves, Dwarves, pipeweed and hope
Message:

1) How has Gimli cast himself in regard to his attitude towards the hobbits? Is he a cantankerous older brother? Is he a fellow soldier? How does this compare to his attitude towards Elves or Humans? How many Witch-Kings does Merry have to kill before Gimli stops hitting him up for pipeweed?

I think Gimli sees himself as an older, more experienced soldier looking after young recruits. Perhaps this is sort of an "older brother" role in itself. As for pipeweed, I wouldn't be at all surprised if, after the war is over and Merry becomes Master of Buckland, he doesn't send Gimli the occasional barrel of Longbottom Leaf, possibly at Gimli's request.

2) Why this scene? Why is Gimli acting so Dwarvish and Legolas so Elvish? Is this a reaction to their being inside the last bastion of Men? Is this a result of their not-so-subconcious realization that their races are fading before Men? Could they be mulling over how their races will be remembered by Men? Could they be merely making small talk?

It almost sounds like they're planning a housewarming for Aragorn, certainly a sign of hope. Gimli and Legolas have, for the last few chapters, been presented either as members of the Fellowship or Aragorn's companions and followers. I think it's good to see that despite their very real bond with Hobbits, the future king and a certain wizard, they have not lost their Elvishness and Dwarvishness. 

3) Both Legolas and Gimli mention Aragorn becoming King. Are they being optimistic? Do they really see a good chance of him taking a crown or are Dwarves and Elves especially resistant to despair?

Neither Legolas nor Gimli seem inclined to despair easily. They pursued Merry and Pippin and their captors across Rohan although the possibility of rescue seemed hopeless, Gimli followed Aragorn through the Paths of the Dead and came out again, and all of them survived the fall of Gandalf to see him return. It would surprise me to see them give up on Aragorn now. They (and we)have been told that the future holds darkness on one side and only hope on the other. What point is there in looking towards the darkness when they have survived so much already? Instead they plan gardens and stonework to keep their spirits up.

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"Despair or folly?" said Gandalf. "It is not despair, for despair is only for those who see the end beyond all doubt. We do not."

                 

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