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Nick: JewelTook (Registered User)
Date/Time: Thu, 7/31/2003 at 21:09 EDT
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In Reply To: The Passing of the Grey Company #10:"True nobility is exempt from fear."  <Elwen>  [7/31/2003 @ 20:32]  (10/20)
Subject:
Ghosts and such
Message:

1.Who carved this door and its symbols and why? Did you find yourself wondering this as well?

I guess it was the Men whose spirits now haunt the paths, men who were left behind when the Edain left for Numenor and who worshipped Sauron at one time.

2. Now to the very first question I ever asked on TORN: Why is only Legolas singled out as not fearing the ghosts of men? Surely the sons of Elrond, who we know had the life of the elves while Elrond was still in ME, would also not fear the spirits. My own theory was that because they had the potential to be mortal, and presumably they knew their sister’s intentions, the ghosts of humans would strike a bit close to home.

That sounds like a reasonable theory to me about Elrond's boys--they are after all only Half-elven.

3. Why the switch to Gimli’s perspective here? This is a rare occurance. Is it because, of the characters in this scene we’re familiar with, he’s the one we can relate to most in this situation?

We always seem to get the perspective of the smallest person present! The hobbits are our usual narrators, and when they are not there we get either the tale as told to them or a more distant narrative voice. Here, I think Tolkien switches to the perspective of the one who feels the most devastatingly terrified--and that's Gimli.

4. When I read this passage the first time, I couldn’t wait to find out what the story was behind that skeleton…but in the course of the book you never do learn about him. Why leave this ambiguous? Was this just another facet Tolkien left vague in LOTR to add realism? (Like Queen Beruthiel’s infamous cats.)

In the next chapter Theoden tells Merry the story of Baldor, son of Brego (son of Eorl, IIRC), who took a drunken vow at a feast to pass the door of the Dead and never returned. That gives Aragorn's comment about simbelmyne as well as the nine and seven mounds of the Kings of Rohan added significance.  I think we can safely say that's Baldor's skeleton.

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