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Nick: erather (Registered User)
Date/Time: Tue, 7/15/2003 at 18:49 EDT (Tue, 7/15/2003 at 15:49 PDT)
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In Reply To: The Choices of Master Samwise #7:  The Great Debate  <notlost>  [7/15/2003 @ 18:19]  (12/30)
Subject:
Sam is profoundly, desperately lonely.
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1.  While this passage could be read as silly, or even ironic, I was moved at how surprised Sam was that life went on, that though his world had just come crashing down, the physical world continued.  How did this passage affect you?  I don't know if this is appropriate, but if you think it is, can you think of a time when this type of thing happened to you?

Many years ago a close friend of mine committed suicide. I remember in the days following having to feed the cat, wash dishes, etc., all with a sort of incredulous amazement that these humble chores still existed in the blackness of the hour.

2.  I've always thought that Sam's true transformation—his coming of age, so to speak—began in the chapter we're discussing, yet now I'm reminded that he actually grew up a bit before this, after speaking to the Elves and beginning to realize the seriousness of the undertaking.  When did Sam’s journey toward…adulthood?  Becoming a whole hobbit?  Becoming "global" vs. "local" in his thinking?  Begin?  And now that I've had trouble describing it, what is it Sam learns—how is he changed?

Sam's learning to accept responsibility at a level most folks (of any 'race') rarely experience.  It's been happening gradually (including the conversation recalled here).  But he's been comfortable accepting Frodo's leadership, so that his responsibility was to take care of Frodo and Frodo would take care of the quest.  Now the entire burden has come crashing down on him.

It isn't really fair to speak of it as "adulthood" or "wholeness" in my opinion, because the overwhelming majority of fully adult, whole people are never placed in a situation even remotely this challenging.  Maybe a better term would be "learning to be a hero."

3.  By taking on Frodo's things, is Sam taking on a bit of Frodo?  Or is it taking on the Elves, since these were wrought by them and have special powers associated w/ the Elves?  Or both/neither?

Both, I think.  It's important to be able to carry "a bit of Frodo" for consolation and encouragement and as reminders of his committment (one of my favorite moments in the FotR movie was when Aragorn put on Boromir's vambraces for similar reasons).  But also Sam has seen how powerful the phial is, for example, and he needs to take everything that might possibly be helpful.  I'm a little surprised that he didn't take any food, but I guess he had already taken as much as he could carry.

4.  Sam speaks aloud to Frodo the whole time, even asking him questions ("Do you understand, Mr. Frodo?  I've got to go on."  Earlier, as he compares his options, he says "Or go on….Go on? Is that what I've got to do?  And leave him?")  Who is Sam talking to?  Why is he speaking out loud in a place where silence is safer?

Sam desperately needs to hear the sound of a voice, even his own.  And I think the fragile fantasy that he is speaking to Frodo helps (vestiges of denial hanging in there).  Also, it's clear that he is distinctly uncomfortable "putting himself forward," and explaining helps relieve the guilt.

Poor Sam.

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