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Nick: Curious (Registered User)
Date/Time: Tue, 7/1/2003 at 7:40 EDT (Tue, 7/1/2003 at 5:40 CST)
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In Reply To: “The Stairs of Cirith Ungol” 2:  Frodo, Sam, Gollum, and the Ring Go for Tea with the Wraiths  <drogo_drogo>  [6/30/2003 @ 12:39]  (7/9)
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Remember that the Nazgul are blind.
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I do think Frodo's spells of temporary blindness have to do with him being drawn into the spirit world.  One of the effects of the Morgul-knife wound was to make the world about him grow dim to his eyes.  His entrancement by the corpse-light also reminds me of his entrancement in the Dead Marshes.  His strong reaction to the Nazgul and the corpse-lights is not just an effect of the Ring, but also of the Morgul-knife wound.  He will never fully heal in Middle-earth.

The pull of the Ring, on the other hand, reminds me of Weathertop and the Mirror of Galadriel.  The Ring also responds to the presence of the Nazgul, no longer tempting Frodo but just attempting to overpower him.  This is the effect Tolkien describes in Letter 246 when he says that Frodo does not succumb to temptation, but in the end is simply overpowered by the Ring.  Whether the Ring does so as an active agent or a mechanical device is unclear at this point, but for me becomes more clear when the Ring puts words in Frodo's mouth and curses Gollum on the steps of Mount Doom.  Plus those who have read Turin's story know that magical objects like Turin's sword  sometimes speak, and have a will of their own.

The green gleam is the nasty side of Gollum, or Stinker, as Sam calls him.  And it may indeed be called forth by the unholy light of Minas Morgul, just as it is briefly subdued by the sight of Frodo sleeping.  I don't think the Ring is calling to or controlling Gollum, or else he would help Frodo give himself up.  Instead it is Gollum's own desire for the Ring that controls him, and motivates him to save Frodo for the time being.  Gollum's lust for the Ring is no longer in the Ring's control.  At this point it starts to spoil the Ring's own plans, and eventually leads the Ring to curse Gollum, and leads Gollum to defy the Ring.



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