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Nick: Curious (Registered User)
Date/Time: Sat, 5/31/2003 at 10:05 EDT (Sat, 5/31/2003 at 8:05 CST)
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In Reply To: a semi related question  <hatster>  [5/31/2003 @ 9:38]  (1/14)
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Tolkien *did* read Shakespeare, and
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saw plays performed.  His dislike of Shakespeare has, I judge, been overblown.  He just did not think much of how Shakespeare handled fantasy.  But much of LotR was directly inspired by his desire to handle it differently -- the Ents and huorns are Tolkien's version of the moving woods in Macbeth, and the Witch-king's end a variation on Macbeth's.  The Elves themselves are a reaction to Shakespeare's elves in A Midsummer Night's Dream, and Bilbo's line about Aragorn (All that is gold does not glitter) a variation on Shakespeare's from the Merchant of Venice (All that glisters is not gold), although Chaucer and Cervantes also used the same proverb.

Of course Shakespeare and Tolkien also share many of the same sources, since Tolkien was unusually conversant in pre-Shakespearian writings, English and non-English.  But Tolkien was also directly influenced by Shakespeare, although sometimes by contrast rather than similarity.

There is one way in which Tolkien does seem to emulate Shakespeare.  Tolkien's poems are deliberately archaic, even Shakespearean, although I have to say that Shakespeare was the greater poet.  But many of the songs in Shakespeare's plays are just as nonsensical to modern ears as any of Tom Bombadil's rhymes!

If you read Tolkien's essay "On Fairy-stories" in the Tolkien reader, you will see much of what he likes and dislikes about Shakespeare.  He also discusses Shakespeare in several of his letters.

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"‘I think he was a silly little man,' said Councillor Tompkins.  ‘Worthless, in fact; no use to Society at all.'

"‘Oh, I don't know,' said Atkins, who was nobody of importance, just a schoolmaster.  ‘I am not so sure: it depends on what you mean by use .'

"‘No practical or economic use,' said Tompkins.  . . .

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"‘It is proving very useful indeed,' said the Second Voice.  ‘As a holiday, and a refreshment.  It is splendid for convalescence; and not only for that, for many it is the best introduction to the Mountains.  It works wonders in some cases.  I am sending more and more there.  They seldom have to come back.'"

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