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Nick: PhantomS (Registered User)
Date/Time: Wed, 4/16/2003 at 6:41 EDT (Wed, 4/16/2003 at 11:41 GB)
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In Reply To: TTT Book III: Chapter 8-- What's going on? Orc-slaying and The Glittering Caves  <Inferno>  [4/15/2003 @ 21:31]  (10/20)
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Don't look down on the Dwarf!...um, I mean figuratively.
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Book III, Chapter 8: What's going on?

Gandalf deflects several questions from the party about what is going on with Saruman.  Why is he being secretive about events in Isengard?

The information might be a bit overwhelming for the superstitious Rohirrim. Or for the tree fearing Gimli. Legolas, I think might be in raptures.

Book III, Chapter 8: Orc-slaying competition, revisited

Why do you think Legolas and Gimli had a contest to see who could kill the most Orcs during the battle?  Did their attitudes about the contest change as it went on?  What effect did it have on them?

As we can read, Legolas thinks about the game when Gimli doesn't come back, but says he wanted to tell him he killed 41. It's a strange friendship, they have. But when Gimli does come back, he's forgotten the game and is glad to see his pal alive. Aragorn fortold that Gimli would win, anyway.

"if he makes it through to the caves, he will pass your count again. never did I see an axe so wielded." says the Man who's been all over the world. I'm thinking Gimli notched his axe at 42, and then grabbed another weapon and killed some more.... (they don't count).

Book III, Chapter 8: The Glittering Caves

What does Gimli's description of the Glittering Caves reveal about him?  About the different ways in which Men and Dwarves approach the natural world?

Inferno.

Dwarves have artistry in their very being-they themselves are the ultimate work of Aule the Smith and possibly of all the Valar- living, breathing speaking beings. Though their life is Eru-given, they always hold Aule as their maker.

So it's no surprise that Gimli starts waxing poetic about Aglarond.

'Caves! Holes to store fodder in,  to flee to in times of war!'

That's very mannish, alright. But we Men were born to be outside, on the free plains and valleys. Elves and Men for the most part don't care about underground things.  Eol might have been an exception, but hey..he's the Dark Elf.

Dwarvish perspective is the opposite. Whatever they make, they treasure. Whatever is beautiful in its own right, they treasure even more. As long as they can be there, moulding and preserving the beauty of it they're happy.

Legolas worries that Durin's Family will ruin the place, but Gimli reminds him that Dwarves are lovers, not just masters of stone. Stone obeys and allows itself to be shaped. Men and Elves in Tolkien's world prefer things that grow themselves, like trees, forests and animals because they feel connected to them. They are lovers of nature. Dwarves are attuned to stone, the stuff they were made from. And thus their love is given to stone and gems. I liked it how Gimli compared flowering stone to blossoming trees- you must never quarry unweathered rock, lest you ruin its perfection.

Gloin remarks that his generation have forgotten the arts of the First Age for the most part, but that their stone-work is far better than Durin's time. It kinda shows what the Dwarves would rather not forget.

not to mention this the only time I hear the word 'plink'.

There is but one task remaining in Arda-we,the Dragons of Valinor will make it happen.

Lone resident of the Republic of Gondor

PO-TA-TOE-S not PO -TAH-TOE-S!

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