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Nick: wajeff (Registered User)
Date/Time: Wed, 4/16/2003 at 1:46 EDT (Tue, 4/15/2003 at 22:46 PDT)
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In Reply To: TTT Book III: Chapter 8-- What's going on? Orc-slaying and The Glittering Caves  <Inferno>  [4/15/2003 @ 21:31]  (10/20)
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my ruminations...
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1) Gandalf is often reluctant to give away too much info at once, plus he may not be completely certain what has happened at Isengard since his last visit.  But he also i think privately enjoys this, and relishes surprising the others.

2) I think it started as good-natured rivalry between the two, and turned into a bonding experience.  I agree with some of the others in that rereading that part i found it a tad disturbing, even though they were discussing evil, vile Orcs.  The "body count" aspect, which i thought cool when i first read it, now seems a tad disquieting. I also agree that it seems to come off better in Jackson's movie, perhaps as humor relieving the grim reality of their predicament.

3) I think Tolkien uses this to show how mankind generally fails to properly appreciate the beauty and utility of nature, be it caves or trees or streams, etc.  It also shows that Dwarves are more complex than we first thought, and also helps in the bonding between Gimli and Legolas.

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