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Nick: drogo_drogo (Registered User)
Date/Time: Mon, 3/31/2003 at 20:40 EDT (Mon, 3/31/2003 at 18:40 CST)
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In Reply To: Book 2, Ch. 6 "The King of the Golden Hall"  <Morwen>  [3/31/2003 @ 19:59]  (9/11)
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melancholy of the Rohirrim
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Legolas's phrase, "the sadness of Mortal Men" is perfect for this song.  There is a kind of fatalistic melancholy about the Rohirrim, and they seem to have a sense of their diminishment compared to their heroic past.  Theoden's resolve in the face of apparently overwhelming odds at Helm's Deep and in their last ride in defense of Gondor stems from this same attitude.  In literary terms, it's a great expression of the commonplace "ubi sunt":  "where have ___(insert whatever was once great and glorious) gone"?  The Gondorians even more than the Rohirrim seem to have this same sense of cultural diminishment, but they have truly fallen to a shadow of their former selves.  Denethor, however, takes this sense of loss to the extreme in his nihilistic despair.  He doesn't want to go out in a blaze of glory recalling the great past (as Theoden does, hearkening back to Erol), but rather bring it all down in a conflagration!

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