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Nick: Calenia (Registered User)
Date/Time: Sat, 3/15/2003 at 13:12 EDT (Sat, 3/15/2003 at 9:12 PST)
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In Reply To: Sad to say...  <gullygilly>  [3/15/2003 @ 12:39]  (1/5)
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His aid
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is of a different type. He and the other Istari wouldn't need physical bodies if they worked through supernatural means. In fact, the Valar could have dispensed with the middle men and just done it themselves in that case. But, then, no one would be able to make any free choices.

Gandalf teaches, leads, persuades, threatens, and lends actual physical aid, in the form of a wise old man. A poweful old man, but one who is forbidden from using all of his power. That's significant, I think.

Working in this way allows the others to distinguish between Gandalf and themselves, to decide for themselves whether to accept his advice and council or not.

On Amon Hen, Frodo can't tell the difference between his thought and Sauron's, but he is aware of Gandalf's voice unambiguously.

This also gets back to the whole point of the brooch dropping. Do we really believe that Aragorn would have given up the hunt if he hadn't found it? That he would have stopped 5 leagues from the battle ground, not gone on to examine the ground for himself?

So, if a higher power is involved, what was the point in manipulating Pippin?

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