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Nick: Curious (Registered User)
Date/Time: Fri, 3/14/2003 at 17:36 EDT (Fri, 3/14/2003 at 15:36 CST)
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In Reply To: The Uruk-hai:#18-The floor is open  <Kiskadee>  [3/14/2003 @ 14:41]  (3/35)
Subject:
Where is Gandalf?
Message:

And what is he doing during all of this?  When the Three Hunters meet him he is fully aware of what happened to Merry and Pippin, and of the quarrel between the orcs of Isengard and Mordor -- and he knows Saruman is unaware of these events.  And that quarrel among the orcs does bear a certain resemblance to a quarrel among trolls Gandalf started in The Hobbit!

Could Gandalf have had anything to do with that quarrel, and the part it played in Merry and Pippin's escape?  If not, how did he know about it?  And why would he have just sat in Fangorn Forest, apparently confident that Merry and Pippin would find some way to escape?

Earlier I said that I did not think Gandalf sent Pippin a vision of Aragorn trailing him, but now I am not sure.  Gandalf bent his thought toward Frodo on Amon Hen, and later toward Shadowfax in the south of Rohan, and read the mind of Saruman.  Why then not send visions to Pippin, the orcs, the Three Hunters, and perhaps even Treebeard?  What else did he have to do between Frodo's time on Amon Hen and his meeting with the Three Hunters?  And why wouldn't he be interested in saving Merry and Pippin, bringing them to Treebeard, and then meeting with the Three Hunters?

Alternatively, I suppose he may have had his own visions of what would happen, not at his behest but by the operation of a Higher Power.  One way or another, he seemed confident that everything would turn out for the best, that neither the orcs nor the Rohirrim would kill the hobbits, that they would meet Treebeard, and that the Three Hunters would follow the trail to Fangorn Forest.


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